Stern SAM2 System

Groni · Jul 19, 2012

Hey Guys,

what about Stern Tables with SAM2. I know about the Problems with SAM2 and that Stern do not allow to use this Roms since they are in use on actual tables. We are still waiting for it on VP.

So how about a license for PA? Maybe there would be a kickstarter too on this ones?

I really would love to see a Pirates of the Caribean and Spiderman.

Greetz

Groni

Sean DonCarlos · Jul 19, 2012

FarSight's license with Stern allows them to reproduce any of their tables with no waiting period.

The reasons we don't have more Stern tables are that S.A.M. is very demanding and FarSight has not developed working emulation for it yet, and the fact that almost every Stern table is based on an expensive licensed theme (usually a movie or a band), and FarSight has to secure those ancillary licenses independently of the Stern table license before it can legally re-create the table.

Groni · Jul 19, 2012

Hard to believe that every Stern Table could be reproduced. Gary Stern told us for VP we have to wait 3 Years after a Table is released. But on SAM2 Gary told us, that we can use the roms only if Stern switches to a new System. If they switch to a new system, then of course we have to wait 3 Years to emulate it for VP. Simple reason, Stern wants to keep people play the real thing instead of playing a vitual machine, which many people would prefer. So if SAM2 comes to PA, then Garys arguments didn´t make sense anymore

Anyway hoping for some nice PA SAM2 Pins

Richard B · Jul 19, 2012

Does their upcoming X-Men table use a new system? There were rumors that Stern was planning on making a switch.

karl · Jul 19, 2012

Sorry to perhaps state the obvious but I would guess the rules change when they get license money for their s.a.m. system and there is just one company to worry about. I do love the vp platform though so I am hoping that Stern will be loosening up a bit about restrictions for VP creators in the future and go back to the 3 year rule that was.

PiN WiZ · Jul 19, 2012

Groni said:
Hard to believe that every Stern Table could be reproduced. Gary Stern told us for VP we have to wait 3 Years after a Table is released. But on SAM2 Gary told us, that we can use the roms only if Stern switches to a new System. If they switch to a new system, then of course we have to wait 3 Years to emulate it for VP. Simple reason, Stern wants to keep people play the real thing instead of playing a vitual machine, which many people would prefer. So if SAM2 comes to PA, then Garys arguments didn´t make sense anymore

Anyway hoping for some nice PA SAM2 Pins

The difference is that Stern receives royalties from FarSight for the sale and distribution of virtual versions of their tables. Stern doesn't receive any money from the VP community which is the reason for the restrictions on emulating their last MPU (up to three years) and current MPU.

Sean DonCarlos · Jul 19, 2012

Groni said:
Hard to believe that every Stern Table could be reproduced. Gary Stern told us for VP we have to wait 3 Years after a Table is released. But on SAM2 Gary told us, that we can use the roms only if Stern switches to a new System. If they switch to a new system, then of course we have to wait 3 Years to emulate it for VP. Simple reason, Stern wants to keep people play the real thing instead of playing a vitual machine, which many people would prefer. So if SAM2 comes to PA, then Garys arguments didn´t make sense anymore

The difference is that FarSight entered into a licensing agreement with Stern and so Stern gets a percentage of each Stern table that FarSight sells. That ability to profit changes everything. Instead of Stern's distributors being their only customers, they can now basically make a percentage of FarSight's much smaller but much more numerous sales of virtual tables, with very little effort or expenditure on Stern's part. So it would be silly of Stern to force FarSight to wait 3 years, because that would just mean any profit Stern would make by licensing its tables to FarSight would also be delayed 3 years.

EDIT: Sorry to restate your post, Pin Wiz, I apparently lost the quick-draw contest.

Richard B · Jul 20, 2012

Groni said:
Hard to believe that every Stern Table could be reproduced. Gary Stern told us for VP we have to wait 3 Years after a Table is released. But on SAM2 Gary told us, that we can use the roms only if Stern switches to a new System. If they switch to a new system, then of course we have to wait 3 Years to emulate it for VP. Simple reason, Stern wants to keep people play the real thing instead of playing a vitual machine, which many people would prefer. So if SAM2 comes to PA, then Garys arguments didn´t make sense anymore

Anyway hoping for some nice PA SAM2 Pins

How exactly does the arrangement work? Do you have to wait three years after the system change to do any tables using that system, or three years after release of the tables. For example, say they replaced SAM2 next year. Does that mean you couldn't do Pirates, Family Guy, and the other SAM2 tables until 2016, or could you do them, and any others more than 3 years old, right after the change?

nuthead · Jul 21, 2012

AC/DC and later use the a SAM board with more FLASH SPACE then the older SAM boards.

HOW · Jul 21, 2012

SAM Emulation?

Hi All

Just saw a great little virtual table build!

http://hackaday.com/2012/05/28/mini-pinball-mame-machine-is-small-enough-to-fit-in-any-game-room/

BUT…..Am I mistaken? Or is that thing playing the 2008 Batman by George Gomez/Stern?????
That’s the SAM system that I didn’t know that was even able to be emulated yet!
Does anyone know if this is Visual Pinball/Pinmame or 'something else'?

I was pretty sure VP developers had some kind of agreement with Stern not to do any later tables...?

Thanks
Andy

HOW · Jul 21, 2012

Hi All, hello Groni (Great to see a VP 'star' on here

)

I just posted about a great little virtual table build I saw elsewhere.

http://hackaday.com/2012/05/28/mini-pinball-mame-machine-is-small-enough-to-fit-in-any-game-room/
BUT…..Am I mistaken? Or is that thing playing the 2008 Batman by George Gomez/Stern?????
That’s the SAM system that I didn’t know that was even able to be emulated yet!
Does anyone know if this is Visual Pinball/Pinmame or 'something else'?

Thoughts?
Andy

Edit: If this is OK in VP......Has Family Guy been done yet???

Groni · Jul 21, 2012

VP doesn´t have a emulated SAM2 System Piname.

It´s Future Pinball

Look here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hizWQpPVW4

Richard B · Jul 21, 2012

It uses the same playfield (or one that looks very similar to the Stern field), but the scoreboard alone should tell you this isn't emulated.

HOW · Jul 21, 2012

So it's a scripted Future Pinball table....Thanks for the link Groni.

Taking a second look I realised that the DMD display's more 'simulated' than actually emulated-Cheers Richard.

Got me going though!!!

Logan812 · Jul 22, 2012

HOW said:
Hi All, hello Groni (Great to see a VP 'star' on here )

I just posted about a great little virtual table build I saw elsewhere.

http://hackaday.com/2012/05/28/mini-pinball-mame-machine-is-small-enough-to-fit-in-any-game-room/
BUT…..Am I mistaken? Or is that thing playing the 2008 Batman by George Gomez/Stern?????
That’s the SAM system that I didn’t know that was even able to be emulated yet!
Does anyone know if this is Visual Pinball/Pinmame or 'something else'?

Thoughts?
Andy

Edit: If this is OK in VP......Has Family Guy been done yet???

It's a Future Pinball recreation. There's also a Family Guy remade for Future Pinball as well.

Richard B · Jul 22, 2012

Scripted or not, it still looks good. It's also in 3-D, and the physics look sound. I think I need to give Future Pinball another look.

Supermans · Jul 22, 2012

I'm going to give future pinball a look too. Going to try to install it today.

HOW · Jul 22, 2012

Does look quite impressive.
Doubt my PC would cope though LOL

HOW · Jul 22, 2012

Interesting

Thanks

Richard B · Jul 22, 2012

I downloaded it and got it running, but I can't change camera angles, and the default is terrible. BTW, we have two different threads on this same topic, and it's getting confusing. Can we shut one of them down?

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