Android - Bug Ball goes through back of Neutral Zone/Command Decision holes.

ThreePi · Jan 2, 2013

I've noticed this on a couple of occasions. Some hard hit shots, usually coming off the top right flipper will go right through these Neutral Zone hole (and the one below it, can't actually remember what its called) and the ball will end up in the loop/orbit.

Also, sometimes the Neutral Zone hole will occasionally trigger the below hole, not sure if that's related.

Fungi · Jan 2, 2013

Oh, now that you mention it, it happens on the iOS version as well.

iguanarama · Jan 2, 2013

ThreePi said:
Also, sometimes the Neutral Zone hole will occasionally trigger the below hole, not sure if that's related.

I think this is normal table behaviour; if you fall into the Neutral Zone hole without hitting the targets behind it, you trigger as if you'd gone into Command Decision.

David Smith · Jan 2, 2013

iguanarama said:
I think this is normal table behaviour; if you fall into the Neutral Zone hole without hitting the targets behind it, you trigger as if you'd gone into Command Decision.

Nope, this isn't normal behavior. (I've experienced it on iOS as well.) A very hard shot to the Neutral Zone can dribble out the left orbit (*instead* of coming out of the VUK to the left inland as it usually does). A very hard shot to the Command Decision hole can come screaming out over the bonus x rollovers and out the right orbit. Neither ever happens on a real table, as it would require the ball to teleport through the orbit wall.

ThreePi · Jan 2, 2013

David Smith said:
Nope, this isn't normal behavior. (I've experienced it on iOS as well.) A very hard shot to the Neutral Zone can dribble out the left orbit (*instead* of coming out of the VUK to the left inland as it usually does). A very hard shot to the Command Decision hole can come screaming out over the bonus x rollovers and out the right orbit. Neither ever happens on a real table, as it would require the ball to teleport through the orbit wall.

I think he was refering to my second issue where hitting a ball into the Neutral Zone hole will trigger Command Decision. I honestly was unsure if that was normal behavior or not.

The ball going through the back of the hole into the orbit is definitely a bug though.

iguanarama · Jan 2, 2013

David Smith said:
Nope, this isn't normal behavior. (I've experienced it on iOS as well.) A very hard shot to the Neutral Zone can dribble out the left orbit (*instead* of coming out of the VUK to the left inland as it usually does). A very hard shot to the Command Decision hole can come screaming out over the bonus x rollovers and out the right orbit. Neither ever happens on a real table, as it would require the ball to teleport through the orbit wall.

You didn't read what I was quoting; ThreePi was right, I was talking about the Neutral Zone hole triggering the below hole.

DaPinballWizard · Jan 3, 2013

One of the first games I played on iPad the ball came out of the launcher at the start of the game, went around the first rail turn and went shooting off the table and basically onto the "floor" on the left side of the table. Hasn't happen again but it was pretty wild.

smbhax · Mar 29, 2013

I think I saw this tonight in PS3 version 2.09--hard shot toward the Neutral Zone from the right flipper and suddenly the ball was coming left to right around the upper part of the orbit.

doedje · Sep 4, 2013

Yep, I have this bug too, while shooting the ball hard into the Command Decision hole, the ball sometimes ends up in the left orbit, heading towards the bonus lanes.... But I wonder whether it is unique to STTNG or that it is caused by the general TPA render engine since it also occures in T2 as mentioned in this thread: http://digitalpinballfans.com/showthread.php/5609-Bug-skull

playing on iPad (I only play T2 and STTNG)

pezpunk · Sep 5, 2013

I think it is just another symptom of the framerate of the physics engine -- it passes through the back wall of the command decision hole between frames, and so it never collides. something like that. it happens on a lot of tables.

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