VP - Monster Bash Update

unclewilly · Jan 20, 2014

coming soon to vp a nice monster bash update.

here is a comparison for the vp haters around here
TPA MB

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Visual pinball update soon to be released

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Kolchak357 · Jan 20, 2014

I think people object to the gameplay more than the visuals (in many of the tables). But it's nice to have it as an option. Wish TPA had all the EM pins that VP does.
I don't really game game on my PC anymore. But it it ever finds it's way to my ipad, then I will download it on day one.

Heretic · Jan 20, 2014

yeah what a way to advertise your ine ****e willy bad form man, realky wish i didnt check the forum hah, even if it isnt your work, the sensational thread title is silly, there is no vp hate here deary

superballs · Jan 20, 2014

I have to agree with heretic on this one, and quite frankly I kind of expect better from you since I actually hold you in pretty high esteem as a table author. There really isn't much vp hate here, actually I bet there's more tpa hate thrown around here. If it being 2d had anything to do with it then there also wouldn't be as much love for pro pinball either.

Bowflex · Jan 20, 2014

Not sure there is any VP hatred in these parts. I haven't used VP since about 2008 but I was very impressed with what a lot of people did in both original tables and replicating classics. Eventually I may get into it again once TPA has run out of option on certain licensed tables or has shown they definitely won't issue other tables. I think VP is actually quite impressive being an endeavor that is created as a labor of love and I'm sure a great deal of others feel the same way.

Slam23 · Jan 20, 2014

Apart from the silly thread name: wow! I haven't played VP for a while now, after playing it very seriously for a couple of years. I know there is a Unity 3D version in the works, but who needs that when tables look like this? There is no VP/FP discussion here, and no VP/TPA either. More pinball = better

shutyertrap · Jan 20, 2014

I've heard people dump on VP's physics, but never on the visuals. People were going ape in here for that recent T2 release because of how photo realistic it is. I do take exception with the TPA version screen shot though. For starters, it's squeezed. I don't know if that is how it actually looks when in portrait mode or not, but it doesn't look like that in regular 16:9. Also portrait mode is a stop gap until true cab mode is done, and that'll be using DirectX 11 visuals. Do I think it'll look as pretty as this VP screen? No, it'll look like TPA. 2 years in, there's a well established look to TPA, and if you haven't gotten used to it now, you never will. It is not going to suddenly look photo realistic.

As everyone above has said, theres no VP hate in here. I myself prefer TPA over VP, but that has more to do with functionality and ease of use. Fantastic job on the art there, but try not to troll us.

Sean DonCarlos · Jan 20, 2014

To the extent that there is "VP hate" in these forums, it's typically contained in the observation that some tables by some authors are of poor quality in various aspects (visuals, physics, etc.). You're going to get that whenever you let the masses try their hand at creating anything. If/when TPA ever gets a construction set, we'll have the same problem.

Also, if you're going to do a comparison between TPA and VP graphics-wise, you need to use a better TPA screenshot to do it, preferably from the PS4 version, since that's the one that the PC version will look closest to after the upcoming DirectX 11 update lands. I'm not sure where you got the screenshot you used, but I've never seen Monster Bash look like that on any platform I've played it on (iPad 3, XBox 360, PC).

Furthermore, someone needs to tone down the lightray effect on the VP version. That plunger lane has literally gone to plaid. Real lighting doesn't do that.

And finally, I'm changing the thread name to something more neutral.

Crawley · Jan 20, 2014

Yeah something wrong with the TPA screencap. Monster Bash doesn't look that bad on TPA my iPad or on my PC. But I can say it doesn't look as good as what you created there.

Jeff Strong · Jan 20, 2014

shutyertrap said:
I've heard people dump on VP's physics, but never on the visuals.

Actually the physics are where VP shines in a lot of cases. The flippers feel a lot more like a real machine, more randomness, etc. Unfortunately, it can vary a lot from table to table, but when they get it right, VP captures the battle to keep the ball alive better than TPA ever has.

Kolchak357 · Jan 20, 2014

Jeff Strong said:
Actually the physics are where VP shines in a lot of cases. The flippers feel a lot more like a real machine, more randomness, etc. Unfortunately, it can vary a lot from table to table, but when they get it right, VP captures the battle to keep the ball alive better than TPA ever has.

I was just referring to previous flipper and aiming discussions like when the new version of T2 came out.
http://digitalpinballfans.com/showt...IVE-EVER-SEEN/page2?highlight=Virtual+pinball
I was just trying to point out that people weren't really blasting VP or FP for graphics around here. And as you stated many prefer the gameplay too. Sorry if I have the wrong impression.

danivempire · Jan 21, 2014

I played both vp and fp but i lost interest in them (before i found out about tpa, so it's not because of tpa).
The graphics (specially on fp) are most of the times just awesome!
And while the flippers feels right and lot of stuff feel right, aiming right is a nightmare...
I've played a lot on afm on the real table, so i know how to aim to this damn saucer but on fp no way, the aiming sucks...
Now maybe that some tables have the aiming right but most of those i tried were pretty bad on this topic...
And it's sad, when i see the awesome work those guys do, i feel it's wasted by the physics

karl · Jan 21, 2014

Your new MB looks fantastic UW.

I play VP almost more than TPA these days when it comes to pc play. That can change of course when TPA gets cabinet support and DX 11 support but some of the VP designers have better physics than TPA, like Pinuck, UW, Groni and some others also.

One great thing that has happened with the new VP ver 9.2, it is much easier to change the physics yourself. There is roll-down menu where you can just copy the physics on what ever table you are playing and set that as a template.

It takes a lot of time to get a table to look as good as the new MB is shaping up to become, so there is bound to be a few not so good looking VP tables now and then, but the standard is raised all the time in both tables and on the VP program. (the people who update the VP program work like crazy, there is a thread on vpforums they update almost daily with new beta versions of the program for anyone interested)

FP on the other hand is a mess for me. Yes, many tables look fantastic but the physics is still bad even with all the latest physics versions. It does not look that great in full screen on a cab either. Just in the latest year they have made physics 2.5, 2.6, Zed physics and some others. It is still far behind VP and it has become really confusing with all the different versions and tables created just for that version alone. I still have a lot of respect for the table designers though. Some really great creations. Just a pity that the base program has so many limitations

Gorgar · Jan 22, 2014

Monster Bash is one of the few tables in TPA that I was disappointed in from the get-go. I am a big universal horror movie fan, but when I saw how crappy the monster figures looked I was just disappointed. They look nothing like they should look like. Good job to whoever made this visual pinball update.

Edit: The Pinball Arcade screenshot does look stretched, but it would look bad either way.

Espy · Jan 22, 2014

Gorgar said:
Monster Bash is one of the few tables in TPA that I was disappointed in from the get-go. I am a big universal horror movie fan, but when I saw how crappy the monster figures looked I was just disappointed. They look nothing like they should look like. Good job to whoever made this visual pinball update.

Edit: The Pinball Arcade screenshot does look stretched, but it would look bad either way.

TPA do a good job but they aren't very good at recreating more complex models. The Terminator skull and the yeti on WH2O spring to mind.

unclewilly · Jan 22, 2014

I'd be more then willing to provide fs with the models I used. They are low poly below 4000. If they wanted them

Espy · Jan 22, 2014

unclewilly said:
I'd be more then willing to provide fs with the models I used. They are low poly below 4000. If they wanted them

I don't think they'd take you up on your offer. Personally I've never had a problem with MB. Though to be honest as long as it plays well I couldn't care less about minor art issues.

k88dad · Jan 24, 2014

Sean DonCarlos said:
... I'm not sure where you got the screenshot you used, but I've never seen Monster Bash look like that on any platform I've played it on (iPad 3, XBox 360, PC). ...

FYI: I sometimes play TPA on a Mac, and that is pretty much exactly how bad the graphics are.

francis247uk · Mar 3, 2014

unclewilly said:
I'd be more then willing to provide fs with the models I used. They are low poly below 4000. If they wanted them

How big are the file sizes? Would you be able to zip them and send them to farsight over email? No harm in trying?

unclewilly · Mar 3, 2014

Yes they are small. What email would I send them to

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