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    Quote Originally Posted by skippycue View Post
    So I usually tried to launch from halfway down the last yellow marker. However, the analogue sticks on the PS4 controller make this much harder. I would recommend using a mouse if you're on PC because then you can just pull back and let go of the mouse button for a consistent release. With the analogue stick, even if you pull back the plunger to the desired release point, letting go of the analogue stick with a clean release is almost impossible. This means that most releases either end up pulling the plunger back further for too much power, or add drag which takes away power. Therefore, I believe earning this goal on console or with a controller is even harder than using a mouse and keyboard.

    Oh, and I'm still irritated that there is no way to explore these tables from various angles like in real life, so I still have no idea what the actual mechanics are of the skill shot gap...
    It's not about the analogue stick. If you set the plunger to a positition then pause game then release stick then continue the game. The strength of the shot will be always different. No consistency. You can use this method in Cyclone skill shot. Set the plunger the same pixel the ball will go to the same hole always, so you can make the 500k skill shot with the 5th ball easily. Banzai run is random.

    I played BR on PC with PS4 controller. Skill shot is not that hard as it is on PS4. Not that much inconsistency. So skill shot is easier on PC.
    The most consistency is on the real BR machine. I played a real BR in the Pinball Museum in Budapest a month ago. Skill shot was very easy.
    The whole game play was easier than TPA except for the vertical part. That was very quick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tandigab View Post
    It's not about the analogue stick. If you set the plunger to a positition then pause game then release stick then continue the game. The strength of the shot will be always different. No consistency. You can use this method in Cyclone skill shot. Set the plunger the same pixel the ball will go to the same hole always, so you can make the 500k skill shot with the 5th ball easily. Banzai run is random.

    I played BR on PC with PS4 controller. Skill shot is not that hard as it is on PS4. Not that much inconsistency. So skill shot is easier on PC.
    The most consistency is on the real BR machine. I played a real BR in the Pinball Museum in Budapest a month ago. Skill shot was very easy.
    The whole game play was easier than TPA except for the vertical part. That was very quick.
    @tandigab

    Any tips you can offer on making this shot? I was hoping I would be able to use the pause method, but it's not working. Despite lining up each shot perfectly, the release results in wildly different outcomes. Which way do you nudge the table to get the ball in the hole?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eternal21 View Post
    @tandigab

    Any tips you can offer on making this shot? I was hoping I would be able to use the pause method, but it's not working. Despite lining up each shot perfectly, the release results in wildly different outcomes. Which way do you nudge the table to get the ball in the hole?
    There is no specific nudge direction unfortunately, it depends on the current ball behavior. For instance, if the ball is teetering in the opening of the skill shot area, then right table nudge might be enough to shove the ball all the way in. However, if the ball is bouncing on top of the skill shot lane bumpers and you want to try to deflect it into the skill shot area, you'd potentially want to nudge the table to the left to push the ball off the bumper into the skill shot area. I've done it both ways (you can see the second technique in the video I've posted earlier in this forum).

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    I usually nudge up , up/right or down/right. It depends how the ball is moving.
    There is not an ultimate method to get the ball to the hole. Try to collect as many EBs as you can so you have more attemps. When two balls in play drain one to get 'instant rematch'. You need a lot of luck as well. In a good game you can try 8-10 times.
    Restart until you get a skill shot with the first ball, then you need 'only' 3 more.

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    I found that the trick to the 4 skill shot wizard goal is getting good at extra balls and starting/restarting multiballs. If you get good enough to have a 30 minute or more game, the ball would have probably went in the trough enough times to earn the goal.

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    Thanks. I've been at it for almost 2 weeks now, and it just seems hopeless at this point. I've gotten to 3 skillshots twice. Once very early, before I even knew how to get an extra ball. Second time a week later when I already knew what I was doing and just couldn't land that 4th one in the following 5 tries.

    The worst part is, that I can play for 1 hour, and maybe end up with 2nd skillshot once or twice during that time. I haven't gotten 3 skillshots in a week. I also noticed nudging seems fishy when you have one ball locked. I've often had the table TILT on a single nudge at that point, which makes my success rate even smaller, despite implementing all the other tricks (like skippycue's attendant method). I even accidentally discovered another way of getting a free launch ball by shooting the captive ball hard enough where the ball in play gets phased into it, at which point you can call an attendant. Sadly it's even less reproducible than the skillshot.

    My new approach is to keep playing and draining until I get 2 skillshots in a row. It lets me spend more time plunging than playing only to miss. I just don't see myself getting this done if I can get the skillshot one out of 10 times at best.

    I'd rather earn wizard goals on all the other tables again, than go after this one. The complete randomness is what kills me. Coupled with the fact that they definitely screwed up how wide the skillshot entrance is, it is absolutely the hardest Wizard Goal out of all of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eternal21 View Post
    Thanks. I've been at it for almost 2 weeks now, and it just seems hopeless at this point. I've gotten to 3 skillshots twice. Once very early, before I even knew how to get an extra ball. Second time a week later when I already knew what I was doing and just couldn't land that 4th one in the following 5 tries.

    The worst part is, that I can play for 1 hour, and maybe end up with 2nd skillshot once or twice during that time. I haven't gotten 3 skillshots in a week. I also noticed nudging seems fishy when you have one ball locked. I've often had the table TILT on a single nudge at that point, which makes my success rate even smaller, despite implementing all the other tricks (like skippycue's attendant method). I even accidentally discovered another way of getting a free launch ball by shooting the captive ball hard enough where the ball in play gets phased into it, at which point you can call an attendant. Sadly it's even less reproducible than the skillshot.

    My new approach is to keep playing and draining until I get 2 skillshots in a row. It lets me spend more time plunging than playing only to miss. I just don't see myself getting this done if I can get the skillshot one out of 10 times at best.

    I'd rather earn wizard goals on all the other tables again, than go after this one. The complete randomness is what kills me. Coupled with the fact that they definitely screwed up how wide the skillshot entrance is, it is absolutely the hardest Wizard Goal out of all of them.
    One thing I didn't mention is I focused a lot on plunger release consistency by rolling the analog stick around the outside and letting go cleanly in the same spot every time. I found this to be much more consistent than pulling it straight back due to all the left/right variance. Maybe focusing on something like that could help you. Good luck, I bet you'll get it any day now.

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    YES! I'm finally done with this dumb wizard goal, on a table with the broken skill shot. NEVER AGAIN Farsight Devs! NEVER AGAIN!

    Skill shots occur at the following timestamps. Coincidentally enough, none of them required a nudge, all just slid right into the hole:
    0:12
    5:30
    11:25
    14:30

    It took me 35 days of sweat and constant disappointment to get this stupid goal done. The skillshot is completely luck dependent. There was a time I would get 3 skillshots on my 1st ball, and then couldn't land the last one on next 6 balls. I've had days where I got 3 skillshots on ten separate occasions, and still couldn’t close the deal. That was 3 weeks ago. Based on that I knew it would happen eventually, I just didn't realize it would take another month to get it done.

    I've had dozens of approaches. I would play games where I would restart if I didn't get two skill shots in a row. I would play games where I would try to use pause trick, and pull the plunger before the ball got a chance to settle on top of it so the shot would be more consistent (it never was). In the end I settled on just flicking the right stick to accomplish an underpowered shot. Never bothered with careful adjustment because the stupid table physics would still completely randomize it despite the pull being pixel perfect.

    In the end I got proficient enough where I could score the extra ball via loops on a regular basis, which gave me that one extra shot I needed in the final game. It took 3 hill runs and 2 extra balls, so about 9 shots.

    This table can go f itself. Especially after BS you can witness at 11:00 mark. The table tilts after a single nudge. And I've seen it on numerous occasions where one ball is locked. Good job Farsight! Nudging is crucial here, and you don't even let us do that when it matters!

    This is the hardest goal in Pinball Arcade. End of story. I've got 3 tables left (Spanish Eyes, Wipe Out and Pistol Poker), but I just can't believe they can be harder than this disaster of a table.


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    Congrats! I knew you'd get it eventually. I don't think it's fair to say it's all luck though. I definitely got better and better at hitting that skill shot pretty often when I finally achieved it. Also, you can see in my video in the first skill shot that nudging can definitely help make the shot. Either way, nice job. The three tables you have left can be pretty challenging as well, but you're in the home stretch. I've got videos and tips for all of them on my youtube channel if you nee some help. Good luck.

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    Nicely done! I've been specifically avoiding this one but as I whittle my list down it's looming in the distance....

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    Quote Originally Posted by skippycue View Post
    Congrats! I knew you'd get it eventually. I don't think it's fair to say it's all luck though. I definitely got better and better at hitting that skill shot pretty often when I finally achieved it. Also, you can see in my video in the first skill shot that nudging can definitely help make the shot. Either way, nice job. The three tables you have left can be pretty challenging as well, but you're in the home stretch. I've got videos and tips for all of them on my youtube channel if you nee some help. Good luck.
    Yes, I've been using your tips for most of the tables. I've completed Spanish Eyes, and Wipeout this past week, and am down to the final couple Wizard Goals on Pistol Poker. I can't wait to be done with them.

    Quote Originally Posted by blkhwks19 View Post
    Nicely done! I've been specifically avoiding this one but as I whittle my list down it's looming in the distance....
    Good luck, you'll need it. Especially on the Banzai Table .

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    Until they release the game again on PS5! Doh!

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    No. I'm done, period. Not buying any more pinball, and keeping my fingers crossed they won't be adding any more trophies to this one. Wasted two years on completing this (assuming I'll get the Pistol Poker done).

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    Pistol Poker trophy was the hardest to get (for me) because the pile of bugs it has. PP bugs

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