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    Quote Originally Posted by barbul View Post
    I've bought Williams 1-3 packs on Steam and n switch, and now i've decide to buy season 3 on Android (Pack 1 & 2 I got 4 free on grade 3 & 4)... and looks like i've pay more than on Steam, more than on switch and get only basic grade 2 (without visual extras and pro physics) - it's some kind of error or what?

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    It's an issue as purchasing the tables through the special offer should max the tables out at 4 stars so that you own them. Contact Zen through the app and let them know about not getting full access to the tables you purchased. I have already contacted them as well.
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    Not going to pay on Mobile (and I may hold off on Steam - I'd really be paying $9.99 for just ToM because I could care less about CP and Safecracker - more likely to get Vol 2.).

    However since I'm about to hit my next 3000 tickets I'm wondering if it's worth holding back on unlocking the 3 new tables, or unlock them all to 1* and use the tickets I've got saved to unlock them all quickly at 2*?

    Honestly considering not unlocking Safecracker, ever. My frustration levels are already high enough when Junkyard is one of the challenge tables.
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    I've seen reviews on Google play that people are buying table packs and still seeing ads. I hope that's a temporary bug.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EldarOfSuburbia View Post
    Not going to pay on Mobile (and I may hold off on Steam - I'd really be paying $9.99 for just ToM because I could care less about CP and Safecracker - more likely to get Vol 2.).

    However since I'm about to hit my next 3000 tickets I'm wondering if it's worth holding back on unlocking the 3 new tables, or unlock them all to 1* and use the tickets I've got saved to unlock them all quickly at 2*?

    Honestly considering not unlocking Safecracker, ever. My frustration levels are already high enough when Junkyard is one of the challenge tables.
    You'll need table parts to unlock the new tables for free. I've been stockpiling tickets as well but can't use them on the new tables because I need parts. Have a guess what parts I'm *not* getting when I play the daily challenges...
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    Wow. What a grindfest. I have one fully unlocked. Fish Tales. The others are at 100 parts, but now I need 100 coins per table to unlock level 4. Should take two years to unlock them at this rate. Played for about 50-60 hours to reach this point. Bummed. All of that grinding and still have to pay out to reach level 4. What the hell. Wasn’t worth the grind. Better off buying if I have to grind for 60 hours and STILL have to pay anyway.

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    I've played 6 challenges and haven't gotten a single part for any of the new tables.

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    I just played one 5 minute challenge and received a table part for Champion Pub. However, I do have all 7 previous tables at 4 stars.
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    I played the basic, advanced, and pro challenges all to 15 stars. 2 table parts for ToM and nothing else.

    I did play all three in League Play.

    ToM is very dark. Plays well though. It takes a couple of attempts to plunge the ball though, the table is so steep.

    CPub is very green. One thing: with the center post up and the ball resting between it and the flippers, it should be possible to shoot both left and right jabs. The table is designed that way. The left jab (from the right flipper) isn't lined up so it always misses.

    Safecracker looks awful, the ramps are opaque, and as I suspected the timed play aspect just doesn't mix with the Zen challenge modes. Sorry, it's a mess (as well as being a horrible table to start with) and I don't see how anyone can justify spending money on it.

    "You've got an arm like a wet rag!" - The Dummy, Hurricane (Williams, 1991)
    "Ace of Clubs?!" - Bride of Pin*Bot, Jack*Bot (Williams, 1995)
    "You have been terminated. Have a nice day!" - Candy 2000, Safe Cracker (Williams, 1996)

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    This is probably a bit aged and has been mentioned by someone but whats up with the glitched up level requirments on fish tales on ps4? One ball challenge level one is 3k then level two demands 50k once you hit 50k and grab a couple more points its level 8. Same thing with survival mode for fish tales, level one is 5k then you need to hit a near impossible 70k to get level 2, this is frustrating throw your controller annoying. Once you time multiball just right and hit those jackpots on time you finally get to level 2 and the rest is too easy. Its very obvious somebody messed up programming those level score requirments, and on the free table people are going to notice most.

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    I bought Pack 3 yesterday when it was offered for 9.99 and had the same issue. I contacted support though the app and within 2 hours they had responded and now the 3 tables show all 4 starts.

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    After grinding all afternoon and evening and getting NO table parts for the new tables, this morning woke up to an app update on Android and now after playing four times through the level one challenges, I have two parts for ToM and two parts for Safe Cracker, and that's it.

    There has been a lot of talk about this before, but I had hoped that Zen would have done something about it. The bottom line is, as more tables are added, the "spreading thin" of table parts is going to make it prohibitive for new users. At this point I'm guessing that by the end of the day I MAY have one of the three unlocked to the point that I can randomly (1 in 8 times?) see it in the level 1 daily challenge. I'm discouraged with the fact that the tables are downloaded to my phone but I'm possibly looking at a week of grinding before I can even hit start on any of them. And this is just going to keep getting worse as more tables come out. I really can't imagine how much of a turnoff it will be to a new user who downloads the app a year from now when there are 20+ tables.

    I have a couple of suggestions/requests for Zen to consider, both of which have been discussed before in the forums and on the podcast:

    1. PLEASE add a "trial mode" for all tables - this could be launched from the Arcade Play menu. The shortest possible one would probably be the 5 star one-ball challenge, but you could do a time limited 1 minute game too like on Steam if the technology supports it. As suggested by Jared and Chris in the podcast, this could also be a launching point to let people see/try the pro physics and graphical enhancements so they could decide if they want to upgrade/purchase.
    2. PLEASE let us focus our table parts collecting! In my grinding after the new tables have come out, I have gotten more MM and Fish Tales parts that I don't need, and precious few parts for the new tables.

    Another option would be to just allow ALL tables to appear in level 1 challenges, without the 5 table part unlock.

    In any case, at this point one day in, I'm feeling like this release is proving that the model in Mobile has some serious flaws.

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    My requirements for upgrading are now in line with what I've seen posted, after having been able to max out all 7 tables in the first 16 days on iOS. So now I'm going to try and keep tabs on what it'll take to max out these 3 new tables, hopefully before the next volume drops. Here's where I'm starting from after messing around with a couple daily challenges to see where I stood...

    Level: 22
    Total Tix: 16,040
    Total Zen Coins: 51
    ToM Parts: 10/15 for 2 stars
    CP Parts: 2/15 for 2 stars
    SC Parts: 4/5 for 1 star

    I have all 4 daily challenges available to me. I have only been earning parts for the 3 new tables since the others are fully upgraded. Interestingly enough, I just did the first 5 stars of the Premium Challenge and only had 2 of the 3 free card flips available, earning no table parts. That's something else I'll be keeping tabs on, as prior to this latest release and after maxing all the tables, this was the case for me with all the challenges.

    One thing I won't be doing anymore now that I hear it takes 100 Zen coin to upgrade, is spending the single coin for that last card flip. I had been doing that previously because 1) it usually had a table part behind it, and 2) the cost for 4 star upgrade was only 10 coins. The most coins I ever had at one time was 150, so this is going to be a real challenge to earn enough. I've completed 2 daily challenges so far, and each yielded 1 coin. Does that mean 4 coins per day? Which would mean a max of 120 coins per month, but if Zen plans on releasing a new pack every 6-8 weeks, at best you'd be able to unlock 2 of the 3 tables before 3 more got added in. We've already heard people say they still earn parts for tables they have enough parts for but haven't been able to pay for the final upgrade, so yeah. Let's not even bother with worst case scenario!
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    Grade 2 Part progress - Table Pack 3
    CP - 7/15
    SC - 9/15
    TOM - 3/15

    Played for roughly six hours but I keep receiving parts I neither want nor require (relentless Junk Yard challenges and parts - argh!).
    I used to get part drops after watching adverts but now it's usually cosmetics or tickets, perhaps the occasional Zen coin at 15 stars.
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    Ok, I may have been a little negative, by the end of the day yesterday (had to have reset the basic challenge at least 10 times) I had gotten six parts each for Safe Cracker and Champion Pub, and 2 for ToM, so I was able to upgrade SC and CP to level 1 and got a survival challenge for Safe Cracker to come up this morning. I still think it's going to be unsustainable to keep this random distribution model long-term with new users coming on board when there are a lot of tables in the app.

    Another option Zen could do with the table parts is to have an "exchange" in-game where you could trade in your extra parts for ones that you needed, at a 2-for-1 rate or something - other games have done this, like Gumballs & Dungeons, there are some really common gumball parts that you collect a ton of, and there's an exchange area where you can trade them in for rarer ones.
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    Yeah. I figured it was gonna take me forever to attain 300 "zennys" and just dropped the $9.99

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gorgias32 View Post
    Another option Zen could do with the table parts is to have an "exchange" in-game where you could trade in your extra parts for ones that you needed, at a 2-for-1 rate or something - other games have done this, like Gumballs & Dungeons, there are some really common gumball parts that you collect a ton of, and there's an exchange area where you can trade them in for rarer ones.
    I like the idea of an exchange / crafting system, I'd even take 3 for 1 if I could choose specific parts.

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    Looks like the technology is just about there for handheld (light) gaming PC's, only that its currently very expensive. Give it 4 years and it might become more viable and then can just play on Steam and not need to worry about the grind on mobile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fungi View Post
    Yeah. I figured it was gonna take me forever to attain 300 "zennys" and just dropped the $9.99
    Same here.

    I grind tool steel at work...that's more than enough grinding for me.

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    On iOS it’s 50 table parts and 3000 tickets to unlock the 3rd star, I am not looking forward to finding out what the 4 star requirement is. Leveling up only gives out 1 zen coin. I have the purchase outright option counting down and I have to make a decision.
    Gotta say the grinding is no longer fun and I’m just going to pay the money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DA5ID View Post
    On iOS it’s 50 table parts and 3000 tickets to unlock the 3rd star, I am not looking forward to finding out what the 4 star requirement is. Leveling up only gives out 1 zen coin. I have the purchase outright option counting down and I have to make a decision.
    Gotta say the grinding is no longer fun and I’m just going to pay the money.
    Grade 4 is 100 parts / 100 coins - I've got most of those parts though I'll never earn enough coins. I honestly think Grade 2 is sufficient unless you really need the offline play. I've unlocked features instead (visual extras / pro difficulty) and have only upgraded a few of my favourite tables to Grade 3 so they're added to Pro Challenge rotation.

    If there are better offers at a later date I'd certainly consider buying them outright, alternatively I could spend £18.99 on 800 coins and unlock specific tables for £2.37 each.
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    The whole things is a confusing mess. So i think i just figured out to myself that resetting a daily objective is a good thing because it just cost a little tickets which you get back from doing the challenges over anyway, the warning when going to reset had me think they would take away my rewards. I hate this format so much, its the format that gets me so addicted i play obsessivly for a month and then get sick of it all and never touch it again. Like those stupid tap games. You burn yourself out on them and then hate them. Not sure i can hate pinball but its gonna make me hate the grind pretty soon

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    The whole things is a confusing mess. So i think i just figured out to myself that resetting a daily objective is a good thing because it just cost a little tickets which you get back from doing the challenges over anyway, the warning when going to reset had me think they would take away my rewards. I hate this format so much, its the format that gets me so addicted i play obsessivly for a month and then get sick of it all and never touch it again. Like those stupid tap games. You burn yourself out on them and then hate them. Not sure i can hate pinball but its gonna make me hate the grind pretty soon
    I hate it so much I play about once or twice a week. I'll do one daily challenge and that's it.

    I was never impressed with old Zen games (the themes we're cool, but I never enjoyed their "physics") but as a company I've lost all respect for them with this model.

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    oh and when you mess up and drain very early in the 1 ball challenge and then have to wait for menus to load tap the button wait tap the button and then rewatch another 30 second commercial... and then you mess it up again right after the ball saver goes away... ahhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! way to piss everyone right off zen. liked it on PC when there was no bull****... I hate one ball challenge now.

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    My biggest problem is Safecracker. Here's a table that isn't really about score, it's about getting to the board game and winning a token. Scoring is secondary. At the very least, suspend the timer during the board game - it's ridiculous it runs then. Better still, accidentally delete it forever and accidentally pour a gallon of petrol on the physical table and accidentally drop a match on it.
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    I find the one-ball challenges generally the most satisfying to finish, because they are so hard. The felling when you are at 4 stars and halfway to the next points goal, and have the ball cradled, is really great - then you either hit your shot and win, or you brick it and drain, but either way it's a real authentic pinball adrenaline rush.

    But with the one-ball challenges, it's not unusual that I don't bother going past the 5 star level, I may try 10 stars once or twice, but it's so hard as to be discouraging, especially at level 2 or 3 with the harder physics and higher point goals (and the higher cost of entry).

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