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    Williams Pinball App Discussion

    Zen has released Williams Pinball to the App Store in iOS, and the Android version will be coming soon. Share your thoughts below!
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    Here's some basics you'll want to know in getting started with this app...

    1. You get to select one table right off the bat. Each table has 4 stars to unlock, this first one will automatically be set to 2 stars. Make sure you pick a table you enjoy because you are going to be playing it A LOT at first.

    2. When you do a daily challenge, you will have 5 cards to flip. 3 are no cost, one is flipped by watching a video, and the last one costs 1 Z Coin. Watch the video, spend the coin! Though supposedly random, it's amazing how often table parts (which are used for unlocking those stars for each table) are hidden underneath those two.

    3. Once you've earned some table parts, unlock those first stars! Select 'arcade play' from the main menu. If a table is ready for upgrade, it'll have a little animated arrow. Select the table and pay whatever the ticket cost is to upgrade. Don't worry, you'll earn tons of tickets early so no need conserving these. Zen Coins are the rare item, but it's still worth using those to flip cards as you'll earn more each time you level up in XP.

    4. To play daily challenges that use a table other than the one you initially selected, you'll need to get them to 2 stars. The reset for challenges is frequent early and stretches longer as abilities are earned, so make sure you get the maximum amount of plays in each time frame so you can unlock those tables and have even more opportunities for challenges each cycle.

    5. The tables start with regular Zen physics. Once you upgrade to 3 and 4 stars, you'll be able to choose the enhanced graphics (all the animations), tournament rules, and the new WMS physics.

    Beyond that, it's grind city unless you fork over money to buy Zen Coins. In the beta it took me a little over 3 weeks, but our daily reset cycle was much more frequent and we had all 3 daily challenges available to us right from the start. What I'm saying is, don't expect to fully unlock all 7 tables in one week. It's gonna take some time, especially considering that final star takes 30 or 40 table parts (can't remember which).
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    Quote Originally Posted by shutyertrap View Post
    Here's some basics you'll want to know in getting started with this app...

    1. You get to select one table right off the bat. Each table has 4 stars to unlock, this first one will automatically be set to 2 stars. Make sure you pick a table you enjoy because you are going to be playing it A LOT at first.
    snip

    Thanks for the synopsis. This will definitely help those who are just starting up with the game. This whole thing was clear as mud and it took me awhile to figure it out on my own.
    Last edited by MadScience2006; 01-29-2019 at 12:05 PM.

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    About how much real money does it cost to just 'buy' one table?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen View Post
    About how much real money does it cost to just 'buy' one table?
    250 Zen Coins per table for full unlock. You can by piles of coins for the following...

    50 coins = $1
    150 coins = $5
    350 coins = $10
    800 coins = $20
    2250 coins = $50
    5000 coins = $100

    So $45 will get you all 7 tables with no grinding. (two 800 coin stacks and one 150 coin)

    Yes, that is wildly more expensive than consoles or Steam. You're either going to be wildly offended by that I suspect if you are the sort of person who just like to buy outright a game rather than grind, or you'll be in my camp who are the sort that never pay money to mobile games and think it's great there's a way to earn everything over time. Having done this myself in the beta, I know it's possible and I'm doing it all over again now as the whole game got reset for us testers too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shutyertrap View Post
    250 Zen Coins per table for full unlock. You can by piles of coins for the following...

    50 coins = $1
    150 coins = $5
    350 coins = $10
    800 coins = $20
    2250 coins = $50
    5000 coins = $100

    So $45 will get you all 7 tables with no grinding. (two 800 coin stacks and one 150 coin)

    Yes, that is wildly more expensive than consoles or Steam. You're either going to be wildly offended by that I suspect if you are the sort of person who just like to buy outright a game rather than grind, or you'll be in my camp who are the sort that never pay money to mobile games and think it's great there's a way to earn everything over time. Having done this myself in the beta, I know it's possible and I'm doing it all over again now as the whole game got reset for us testers too.
    Itís pretty messed up how theyíre tricking people with different values of coins. Your best bet is to buy at 50 coins for $1 or 5,000 coins for $100. All of the other denominations are ripoffs. Using that method, itís $35 for all 7 tables. Just buy 5 packs of 50 coins per table.

    50 coins = $1 = 2 cents a coin
    150 coins = $5 = 3.3 cents a coin
    350 coins = $10 = 2.8 cents a coin
    800 coins = $20 = 2.5 cents a coin
    2250 coins = $50 = 2.2 cents a coin
    5000 coins = $100 = 2 cents a coin

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    Quote Originally Posted by shutyertrap View Post
    50 coins = $1
    150 coins = $5
    350 coins = $10
    800 coins = $20
    2250 coins = $50
    5000 coins = $100
    Could someone on iOS check, if the prices are still the same? Especially for the 50 coins = $1? Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xanija View Post
    Could someone on iOS check, if the prices are still the same? Especially for the 50 coins = $1? Thanks.
    iOS is only 25 coins for $1. Otherwise, the outlay is the same. (50 for $1 on Android seems odd – makes it cheaper to buy 3x50 than 150 in a single purchase. Then again, perhaps someone's messed up the numbers. The ad-based tickets thing was for ages only providing 50 rather than 150 tickets.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Craig Grannell View Post
    iOS is only 25 coins for $1. Otherwise, the outlay is the same. (50 for $1 on Android seems odd – makes it cheaper to buy 3x50 than 150 in a single purchase. Then again, perhaps someone's messed up the numbers. The ad-based tickets thing was for ages only providing 50 rather than 150 tickets.)
    Thanks. 50 for $1 was never a thing on Android, but it was at some point on iOS and it never made any sense. Seems Zen changed it together with the unlocking prices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Craig Grannell View Post
    iOS is only 25 coins for $1. Otherwise, the outlay is the same. (50 for $1 on Android seems odd – makes it cheaper to buy 3x50 than 150 in a single purchase. Then again, perhaps someone's messed up the numbers. The ad-based tickets thing was for ages only providing 50 rather than 150 tickets.)
    We only receive 50 tickets for watching an advert on Android, iOS players are getting 150? I used to get quite a lot of tickets watching adverts after completing challenges but now it's just ball skins. I've got hundreds of the damn things and the cosmetics screen is totally unresponsive.

    I've finally collected 50 parts for every table, but now I need 21000 tickets just to promote them all to Grade 3. Looking at the features there's very little incentive to upgrade these tables beyond level 2, especially with the knowledge I'd need 100 Zen coins / 100 parts to promote any of them to Grade 4.

    Android update: Had to agree to a new EULA, I was hoping this patch would fix Black Rose and Party Zone but the eject mechanisms are still broken, this is a major issue and I reported it to Zen weeks ago.
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    Though I'd rather just be able to purchase the tables for a reasonable price outright, this is pretty fair and unique for a "free to play" game. I'll slog through the daily challenges for awhile and if I can unlock tables regularly (once a week?) it's a great deal. Starts out a little slow with only having one table unlocked and being unable to participate in all of the daily challenges.
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    This model is the type I hate, move on from, and forget about your app.
    I hate grinding games. By the time I earn a table, I will never want to play it again.
    Charge me a few bucks and let me play when I’m in the mood to play.
    TPA is looking better and better to me all the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kolchak357 View Post
    This model is the type I hate, move on from, and forget about your app.
    I hate grinding games. By the time I earn a table, I will never want to play it again.
    Charge me a few bucks and let me play when I’m in the mood to play.
    TPA is looking better and better to me all the time.
    I was with you when I started the beta - I avoid all forms of microtransactions and was concerned that this was going to suck.
    A while back I bought phone holder attachments for bikes so my son and I could bike around town catching pokemon (bonding experience only - i hate pokemon go). I ended up grinding forever to earn a backpack and when I realized I could have just paid a buck to get it and I stopped playing permanently.

    This economy strategy was actually done well. You get access to the base tables (free play) after the second star which takes no time at all. the zenified version after 3 stars and full unlock at 4. I really started enjoying the daily challenges and earning table parts. On the PS4 version i only played the challenge that unlocked the rewind power up. On the mobile version the cosmetics that you also earn are pretty cool (balls, flippers, ball trails).

    Get everything free (faster if you watch ads) or pay a bit more than average for instant gratification. I like grinding with purpose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DA5ID View Post

    This economy strategy was actually done well. You get access to the base tables (free play) after the second star which takes no time at all. the zenified version after 3 stars and full unlock at 4. I really started enjoying the daily challenges and earning table parts. On the PS4 version i only played the challenge that unlocked the rewind power up. On the mobile version the cosmetics that you also earn are pretty cool (balls, flippers, ball trails).
    They have changed the frequency of the daily challenges.

    It was a grind before, now it's even grindier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kolchak357 View Post
    This model is the type I hate, move on from, and forget about your app.
    I hate grinding games. By the time I earn a table, I will never want to play it again.
    Charge me a few bucks and let me play when I’m in the mood to play.
    TPA is looking better and better to me all the time.
    Well essentially they are charging you $5 per table, which is the same as TPA. You just have to purchase the in-game currency first. So is it really any different? No, not if you are comparing to TPA. Compare it to other Zen pinball apps and yes, the price is significantly more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shutyertrap View Post
    Well essentially they are charging you $5 per table, which is the same as TPA. You just have to purchase the in-game currency first. So is it really any different? No, not if you are comparing to TPA. Compare it to other Zen pinball apps and yes, the price is significantly more.
    Thought we paid $5 for a two packs for all of the early seasons on TPA. No heavy licenses going on here. These are 7 for $45. No?

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    If you want all 7 at once, yes. If you want to buy them one at a time you’re looking at more; just over $7 a table (buying 350 coins at a time), but it’d cost you $10 a shot.

    $10 = 350 coins = 1 table and 100 coins
    $10 = 350 coins = 1 table and 100 coins (200 total)
    $10 = 350 coins = 1 table + 1 table and 50 coins leftover

    So if you spend $10 you have 1 table. $20 you have 2, but spending $30 gives you 4 tables. On PS4 it’s $10 for 3 tables.

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    Thanks for doing the math GL

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    What is hideous is that they came up with 2 currencies (Zen coins + table parts). Someone has studied human psychology to a invent such a scheme.

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    Two currencies is pretty much the norm in a lot of Freemium games. Some have more....
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    Hope they come up with a landscape version soon. Very hard to reach the nudge area with a tablet.
    Would also like some much lower camera angles. I feel very tall with these camera choices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kolchak357 View Post
    Hope they come up with a landscape version soon. Very hard to reach the nudge area with a tablet.
    I don't know that it will change...the reason being is that Zen Pinball has the exact same nudge zone area and scheme settings (if I recall correctly). I don't think those have changed in years. The current nudge zone is virtually impossible to use while playing in portrait mode and thumbs. How the hell can one reach up above the halfway point on the screen for the nudge zone with thumbs on the flippers at the lower section of the screen?
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    Not liking how touch nudge (my go to method on TPA) is working on my iPhone 8. The tutorial shows the nudge region from left edge to right edge above the flipper regions, but I only seem to get a nudge (not sure which direction) when I tap near the center of the region. Why no nudge at the bottom between the flipper regions? And why do the flipper regions seem to go so far up the sides? I miss the options available in TPA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by strells View Post
    Why no nudge at the bottom between the flipper regions? And why do the flipper regions seem to go so far up the sides? I miss the options available in TPA.
    Exactly my feeling as well.

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    I do love the lighting, especially the inserts. And the mechanical sounds (flippers, pops, etc) are really really good.

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