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    Williams' Collection Volume 4 guesses

    We now know what is coming for Volume 3 so what do you think will be showing up for Volume 4 in May??

    Didn't Zen say that the 4th volume would be the start of licensed tables or was it that they would start having tables that weren't in TPA already??? I was trying to remember what exactly they stated about that.

    My guess is they will stay with Williams for a pack since they just did Bally tables:

    Tales of the Arabian Nights
    Taxi
    Space Shuttle

    For a fun guess if they do the license way:

    Monster Bash
    Creature from the Black Lagoon
    Zen fantasy table with Universal monsters
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    Tales of the Arabian Nights , Taxi and Cirqus Voltaire , that`s my 2 cents worth .

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    Totan, White Water, and Road Kings are my guesses.

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    Cirqus, Cactus Canyon, and Who Dunnit are my guesses for Volume 4, assuming they're going by the order of the manuals and also assuming they stick with packs that have the same manufacturer.

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    -TotAN or CV as the anchor
    -Two of the other remaining unlicensed DMDs other than TotAN/CV

    I think that's a pretty safe guess.

    But for fun, here's an alternative guess:

    -TZ solo release as our first licensed table

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    TOTAN (can't be far off... let's hope the obligatory animated genie doesn't look like Will Smith).
    White Water (thoroughly deserves a visual upgrade over the TPA version)
    WHO Dunnit (if they've made progress licencing the Peter Gunn theme)

    Perhaps that selection is too strong for a single pack, though I'm hoping at least two of them make an appearance in Vol 4.

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    That list of 19 is actually 21... Dont forget Pinball Circus & the 2 unlicenced 2000 tables revenge from mars and wizard blocks which has a fully working prototype that has been exhibited at festivals
    (youtube vids exist of it working)

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    My guesses:

    V4
    Cirqus Voltaire
    Cactus Canyon
    Hurricane

    V5
    Red & Ted's Road Show
    White Water
    JackBot

    V6
    Tales of the Arabian Nights
    No Good Gofers
    WHO Dunnit

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    Hmmmm.....

    Cactus Canyon
    No Good Gofers
    White Water

    T2/STTNG as the licensed wildcards!

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    TOTAN
    Bad Cats
    Mousin' Around

    or

    TOTAN
    Jack Bot
    Mousin Around

    surely they cant have another volume just regurgitating tables that have been in TPA already

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    Quote Originally Posted by lettuce View Post
    TOTAN
    Bad Cats
    Mousin' Around

    or

    TOTAN
    Jack Bot
    Mousin Around

    surely they cant have another volume just regurgitating tables that have been in TPA already
    It kind of cuts both ways. TPA pretty much made the most wanted tables, so I think Zen would be hard pressed not to sell the tables that people wanted (would still want) the most. TPA released many of these several years ago, so tech wise, there is a good deal of room available for improvement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lettuce View Post
    surely they cant have another volume just regurgitating tables that have been in TPA already
    I have to take exception to this. What Zen are doing is anything but 'regurgitating' what Farsight produced.

    The amount of work Zen are putting into these classic tables just does not compare, which is clearly evident in a quality that I think we all agree far exceeds that seen in TPA. And that's before we even start on the animated 'Zenified' options.

    Calling it 'regurgitating' is doing Zen a very large disservice, imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kimkom View Post
    I have to take exception to this. What Zen are doing is anything but 'regurgitating' what Farsight produced.

    The amount of work Zen are putting into these classic tables just does not compare, which is clearly evident in a quality that I think we all agree far exceeds that seen in TPA. And that's before we even start on the animated 'Zenified' options.

    Calling it 'regurgitating' is doing Zen a very large disservice, imo.
    It depends. Re-doing earlier tables like AFM, ToM, and MM is necessary and the work Zen has put into these tables really makes a positive difference. I still want to see WH2O and ToTAN redone as well.

    Redoing later TPA tables like TPZ, CP, JY, and SC helps to temper my excitement about the Zen Williams License. That and the fact we'll never get the SS and Alphanumeric tables. Bad news for anyone who did not get those table packs in TPA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rehtroboi40 View Post
    That and the fact we'll never get the SS and Alphanumeric tables. Bad news for anyone who did not get those table packs in TPA.
    Why do you say that? There's absolutely no reason to think Zen wouldn't do these. The priority is DMD to cater to better sales (as FarSight admitted to) and ease the Zen Pinball crowd into playing real tables. Give 'em time, they'll get to them.
    I'm just sayin'

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    Quote Originally Posted by shutyertrap View Post
    Why do you say that? There's absolutely no reason to think Zen wouldn't do these. The priority is DMD to cater to better sales (as FarSight admitted to) and ease the Zen Pinball crowd into playing real tables. Give 'em time, they'll get to them.
    If this is the case, I'd rather they hold off with Jack-Bot and release that as a 3 pack with the BoP, and Pin-Bot, family pack! As for V4, I'd like to believe TotAN, WW, and maybe Who-Dunnit?
    My tables I'd love to see would be Fire!, Eight Ball Deluxe, and maybe trying out Space Shuttle or Strikes N' Spares, but these seem like they'd be far off!!!

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    I'm going to go with:
    CV (headliner)
    WhoDunnit (mid-tier)
    Hurricane (low-end)
    "You've got an arm like a wet rag!" - The Dummy, Hurricane (Williams, 1991)
    "Ace of Clubs?!" - Bride of Pin*Bot, Jack*Bot (Williams, 1995)
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    Regurgitating? Hardly.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinballwiz45b View Post
    Regurgitating? Hardly.




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    Green beer, it must be St. Patrick's Day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen View Post
    Green beer, it must be St. Patrick's Day.
    It won't be like this on Steam or Mobile.

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    I know.

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    Bad Cats. It's prophesied.

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    Just went back and watched the Zen Studios original Williams announcement (https://youtu.be/wb4ePACUJD0)

    ZSolt is clearly stood in front of a Circus Voltaire and Judge Dredd, probably in the Zen offices rather than the Budapest Pinball museum by the looks of it, so think there’s a high chance of those two, especially when you watch further in the video and can clearly see the team playing Champion Pub and Theatre Of Magic in the office prior to those being officially announced.

    And could definitely be any of those ones they’ve got manuals of!
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    Hereís some unfounded speculation that I just tore out of my butt. There is supposed to be a Twilight Zone reboot in April. So maybe the licensing deal that Zen made (the one that delayed the zen originals) was with CBS, who wanted zen to have the twilight zone table out by May. So Zen tore the people working on the zen originals and put them on reproducing the Twilight Zone to reach their deadline.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gorgar View Post
    Hereís some unfounded speculation that I just tore out of my butt. There is supposed to be a Twilight Zone reboot in April. So maybe the licensing deal that Zen made (the one that delayed the zen originals) was with CBS, who wanted zen to have the twilight zone table out by May. So Zen tore the people working on the zen originals and put them on reproducing the Twilight Zone to reach their deadline.
    Love it

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