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    First Licensed FX3 Williams Speculation

    We've got 3 packs of non licensed DMD games out already, a 4th (presumably non licensed) on the way. At some point, Zen is going to do a licensed table. What's the first one going to be?


    I'm going with Terminator. The next movie comes out on November 1st. A T2 and Zen Terminator: Dark Fate pack right around there sounds pretty good. A triple pack of T2, T3 and T: DF sounds even better but i don't see a Stern+Williams combo pack happening.

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    Twilight Zone.
    "You've got an arm like a wet rag!" - The Dummy, Hurricane (Williams, 1991)
    "Ace of Clubs?!" - Bride of Pin*Bot, Jack*Bot (Williams, 1995)
    "You have been terminated. Have a nice day!" - Candy 2000, Safe Cracker (Williams, 1996)

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    My guess is Universal Monsters.

    Terminator is interesting in that all the Terminator rights have reverted to being under the complete ownership of James Cameron as of 2019. How this may impact pinball tables... Who knows?

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    I’m leaning towards a Universal Monsters Pack too.

    Would that possibly include CREATURE FROM THE BLACK LAGOON, MONSTER BASH and what else? DRACULA although aware rights to that might be with Sony not Universal.

    What could be another potential third table - SCARED STIFF? ELVIRA AND THE PARTY MONSTERS? Again, aware these Elvira tables might fall into another licence.


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    It's entirely possible that Zen could release packs of 1 or 2 tables, based on which license was done. It's interesting to think about too, because the costs may vary.

    Examples of solo tables include Portal and Walking Dead.

    Examples of two-table packs include Carnivals and Legends, the Medieval pack, Women of Power, and Iron and Steel.

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    I 'd agree with a monster bash/cftbl pack being the first licensed table pack as it carries a licence but shouldn't break the bank plus still being highly requested tables. either way I can't wait for any and all tables!

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    I don`t mind what we get . Zen has done such a great job , I`ll buy anything . I`d love for Taxi to be thrown our way with plenty of animations , please !!!

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    I’ll stick with my prediction of Judge Dredd

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    I think it'll be NBA Fastbreak, just in time for the finals in June.

    Or for the draft, free agency, pre-season, start of season, all-star break...just make the damn thing!
    I'm just sayin'

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    Quote Originally Posted by shutyertrap View Post
    I think it'll be NBA Fastbreak, just in time for the finals in June.
    I wish! I remember having a lot of fun playing this table irl.

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    I liked playing it last week even though I had very little idea what I was supposed to aim for - did realise you press the middle button to get a point after getting up the middle ramp but not into the basket. Suspect its even better when you do know what to aim for!


    Quote Originally Posted by shutyertrap View Post
    Or for the draft, free agency, pre-season, start of season, all-star break...just make the damn thing!
    Are those 5 things that happen in basketball at various points in the year??

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    Honestly I don’t think there’s a bad option here.

    Twilight zone is certainly a table that feels like it would be a single table pack.

    I like the Universal monsters guess as there’s already some ground laid with the licenses for the universal tables already published and there more to tap there for Zen Originals too. Having Monster Bash out there digitally with the relaunch of the physical table doesn’t hurt either.

    Does the NBA licensing deals with EA and or other gaming companies hurt the pinball license chances? For that matter, does EA not allowing PvZ to be ported affect that too?

    Further speculating, would a Stern deal push all the Williams licenses out since they’ve already done Marvel and Star Wars (and Jurassic Park and Back to the Future and Family Guy) and we’d see those first?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wilbers View Post
    Are those 5 things that happen in basketball at various points in the year??
    NBA has something going on almost all year round.

    Pre season starts in late September. Season starts in October. All-Star break is February. Playoffs start in April. Finals are in June, as is the draft. Free agency starts in July, as does Summer League. August is pretty much the only month with nothing NBA related happening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Narc0lep5y View Post
    Does the NBA licensing deals with EA and or other gaming companies hurt the pinball license chances? For that matter, does EA not allowing PvZ to be ported affect that too?

    Further speculating, would a Stern deal push all the Williams licenses out since they’ve already done Marvel and Star Wars (and Jurassic Park and Back to the Future and Family Guy) and we’d see those first?
    I think the biggest issue for doing NBA is the NBA itself and the Players Union. Lots of agreements to secure.

    Just because Zen has a license for those IPs does not mean they automatically have it for a Stern or Willians recreation. They still have to negotiate, but obviously with a foot in the door.

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    Yeah. I figured the usual license negotiation applies, but in the case of NBA, where there are existing video game licenses on top of that it might be even more difficult.

    In addition to the usual games like Live and 2K, EA owns the rights to NBA Jam, another Midway/Williams property that was licensed to Acclaim back in the day. I’m not sure if that deal encompassed the home rights to Fastbreak but it certainly could.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Narc0lep5y View Post
    In addition to the usual games like Live and 2K, EA owns the rights to NBA Jam, another Midway/Williams property that was licensed to Acclaim back in the day. I’m not sure if that deal encompassed the home rights to Fastbreak but it certainly could.
    There is no exclusive deal in place for NBA games like the NFL and MLB. The problem lies with the players and players union. Many likenesses are used on the table and many of of those said players have retired and it's possible that some may even be deceased.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shogun00 View Post
    There is no exclusive deal in place for NBA games like the NFL and MLB. The problem lies with the players and players union. Many likenesses are used on the table and many of of those said players have retired and it's possible that some may even be deceased.
    Yep. I think what would make the most sense is to strike new deals with current players, and then if possible do yearly roster updates. Would also have to change Seattle to OKC, plus add in the two newest teams. Zen could probably do a better DMD job on the faces than are there now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shogun00 View Post
    There is no exclusive deal in place for NBA games like the NFL and MLB. The problem lies with the players and players union. Many likenesses are used on the table and many of of those said players have retired and it's possible that some may even be deceased.
    The NBPA doesn't handle license of player likenesses. In the case of NBA Fastbreak, the players are all featured in their respective team gear and would be subject to the standard NBA digital rights agreement. Regardless, It would behoove Zen (and the NBA) to update the DMD (and with current trivia questions), backglass and playfield with current players and team kits anyway, though if any of the featured players were to be troublesome (Jason Kidd) they could all easily be replaced with metallic robot players (been done before).

    edit: I just played a few games to refresh my memory. If Zen could get the "linked" capability of this table to work it would be quite a fantastic table to use for promoting live multiplayer play.
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    Just get a deal with Hershey and fester the table into Reese's Fast Break.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen View Post
    Just get a deal with Hershey and fester the table into Reese's Fast Break.
    That's just nutrageous to even suggest such a thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shogun00 View Post
    There is no exclusive deal in place for NBA games like the NFL and MLB. The problem lies with the players and players union. Many likenesses are used on the table and many of of those said players have retired and it's possible that some may even be deceased.
    This is basically a sidenote post, but as a baseball geek I’m compelled to reply: There’s no exclusive deal for MLB games any longer either. 2K used to have the exclusive deal, but that expired a few years ago and they chose not to renew it and they shut down MLB 2K completely. Sony was always able to make their own MLB game (The Show) even during 2K’s exclusiveity years because the deal had a caveat that allowed 1st party console developers (Sony, MS, and Nintendo) to be exempt and develop their own MLB games if they so chose (only Sony took advantage of it, partly because baseball is so huge in Japan). So nowadays, there’s no longer an exclusive deal, but there just isn’t the interest in developing MLB games like there used to be, in large part thanks to 2K killing off the other great franchises when they secured their exclusive deal (EA’s MVP, etc.), so we went from having a plethora of great MLB games in the early 2000’s to just a couple today. Now all we have is Sony’s MLB The Show (which is a great game, arguably the best sports game out there) and the rebooted R.B.I. Baseball (not so great...which is sad because the originals were so good).
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    i would assume they have heard our "give us something new cries" and we will get indiana jones

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