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    Quote Originally Posted by shutyertrap View Post
    Actually they love the Switch. I think Mel said it’s his main platform. Let Akos know about these bugs via Twitter or the official Zen forum.
    Yeah done it,forums, email, facebook perhaps the bug of Road Show will be corrected in the next update, i just found it strange that for pack 1 issue stil isnt corrected. Its a minor one, does nothing if you leave the gamma in the middle, but its an issue if you want to tone down gamma a bit.

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    Guess Williams Pack 5 will get an announcement in the next week or so?!.

    Mel gave a strong indication that there will be a Halloween themed release around end of October (hopefully Bram Stoker Dracula, Monster Bash, and Creature From The Black Lagoon) so i doubt they'll wait until then to release the next pack so has to be the first 2 weeks of August to get the spacing between releases right and then table back 7 in December

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    Quote Originally Posted by lettuce View Post
    Guess Williams Pack 5 will get an announcement in the next week or so?!.

    Mel gave a strong indication that there will be a Halloween themed release around end of October (hopefully Bram Stoker Dracula, Monster Bash, and Creature From The Black Lagoon) so i doubt they'll wait until then to release the next pack so has to be the first 2 weeks of August to get the spacing between releases right and then table back 7 in December
    Mixing Dracula with Monster Bash and Creature has conflicting licenses. While Universal both have Monster Bash and Creature, they weren't involved in the making of the Bram Stoker's Dracula movie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinballwiz45b View Post
    Mixing Dracula with Monster Bash and Creature has conflicting licenses. While Universal both have Monster Bash and Creature, they weren't involved in the making of the Bram Stoker's Dracula movie.
    Good Point, id be over the moon with Monster Bash regardless of what other 2 its bundled with but sounds like CFTBL could be a shoe in for the 2nd table of the pack......wonder what they could use for the 3rd game

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    Quote Originally Posted by lettuce View Post
    Good Point, id be over the moon with Monster Bash regardless of what other 2 its bundled with but sounds like CFTBL could be a shoe in for the 2nd table of the pack......wonder what they could use for the 3rd game
    Could've sworn it was only 2 licensed tables for October from the Blahcade interview, but would love any additional ones.

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    Oh man. I guess I missed something. Ok had the impression that it was a solo table not a pack. That would be cool.

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    i'm pretty sure they are putting the license tables separate, for example you will have to buy monster bash by itself, and creature by its self, and no where did they say it was going to be 3 tables, but they did say more than one around will come around Halloween. it's possible they could lump those 2 together just this one time since the theme is so close but who knows. but then again they never did officially confirm any tables by name, and so many horror themes exist so we could be completely thrown something we didn't expect. in any case this next pack seems to be taking forever... seems everybody is assuming it's so they can space the packs out better... but what if they read all the stuff we have been saying and decided it's time to start putting out older tables with 1 dmd era table per pack for the next 6 packs, and this extra wait is them putting the finishing touches on new DMD animations for old tables that never had them. Im sure some people would get all complainy about all the 3 packs of older less intricate ruleset tables after they get through the more modern ones regardless of added dmd animations.

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    Personally, I'd be very excited for some older, simpler tables. Especially ones not already in TPA.

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    Man I’m the exact opposite. If they plan to put out all the dmd game and work their way backward to the EMs then they are building in an obsolescence in this game for me. Once we get past the alphanumerics and licensed games their ain’t much that interests me. For me it would have been smarter to sprinkle in games throughout the years together. Then I would be more likely (forced) to give the year older games a chance and perhaps fall in love or at least like with one or two. As it stands now I never met an EM I wanted to play for more than a minute so I’ll probably be out once I have the games that I want.

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    I'm kinda of the opinion that a person isn't a true pinball fan if they can't stand pinball from all era's of pinball. There are good and bad tables from all era's.

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    Yeah. I’m kinda of the opinion I’ll play what I like and not worry about meeting someone else’s criteria of what a ‘true fan’ is. Thanks.

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    Zen wants to make money and they'll make more money with the more popular tables. I personally love older tables, but they likely won't draw as well. TPA didn't include all that many old tables either. I'd be happy with a better tuned Centaur though. Is 1982 considered old these days? One of the only tables I played better in real life than the TPA game.

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    That’s why I was think it would have been better to sprinkle in the old with the new. Once they get to the older tables I think there is a large portion of their audience that will be less interested. But if they dropped in like one older table in each pack then they’d get two benefits. One they could stretch out the newer releases and possibly get people interested for longer. And two people that otherwise wouldn’t try or be interested in the older games might find a few that they actually do like

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    It’s a big mystery what Zen plans on doing after Volume 6 finishes off the unlicensed DMD. They went that route to appeal to their Zen base of customers who like deep rule sets, plus they lent themselves to the enhancements. There is a very long list of alpha numerics to get through after that, but that first pack will give us the road map to what their plan is. I doubt they’ll ever do an EM, and the odds of Bally wide body machines are slim to none too. I think a table like Centaur lends itself to the Zen aesthetic quite easily, but can the same be said for other tables of that early 80’s era? If they allowed themselves to let the enhancements include rule changes, then I think they could have the best of both worlds.

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    For all the people that complained about Farsight, they did a fairly decent job of picking out the most popular titles, usually it was only big license or technical/control issues that prohibited them bringing out some tables:

    Current Pinside rank on Bally/Williams' tables Farsight didn't make in the top 150:

    #9 Indiana Jones :TPA '93
    #32 The Shadow '94
    #44 Congo '95
    #59 Revenge from Mars '99
    #75 Johnny Mnemonic '95
    #76 Barracora '81
    #80 Flash Gordon '81
    #84 Slugfest '91
    #90 Medusa '81
    #94 Space Station '87
    #95 Dirty Harry '95
    #104 Corvette '94
    #107 Demolition Man '94
    #119 Mousin' Around! '89
    #122 NBA Fastbreak '97
    #128 Radical! '90
    #132 The Flintstones '94
    #138 Frontier '80
    #143 Grand Lizard '86
    #146 Rollergames '90
    #150 Skateball '80

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    Yeah, no doubt Farsight made very popular tables. It is one reason why it is a bit hard for Zen to put out something that Farsight didn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yespage View Post
    Yeah, no doubt Farsight made very popular tables. It is one reason why it is a bit hard for Zen to put out something that Farsight didn't.
    They should make Flash (though Flash Gorden would be nice too). Flash was an extremely popular machine when it was released and was the first machine to have a continuous background audio soundtrack.

    Historical, plays great, no extra licensing...it should totally be made. It deserves a place in the lineup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shutyertrap View Post
    I doubt they’ll ever do an EM, and the odds of Bally wide body machines are slim to none too. I think a table like Centaur lends itself to the Zen aesthetic quite easily, but can the same be said for other tables of that early 80’s era? If they allowed themselves to let the enhancements include rule changes, then I think they could have the best of both worlds.
    I can see a few early solid state (ESS) machines being made. The four ESS tables by Steve Ritchie (Flash, Stellar Wars, Fire Power, & Black Knight) would be appealing enough. Also, the System 9 tables (especially Comet) have a good shot as well. The way they market them will be definitely be key here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shogun00 View Post
    I can see a few early solid state (ESS) machines being made. The four ESS tables by Steve Ritchie (Flash, Stellar Wars, Fire Power, & Black Knight) would be appealing enough. Also, the System 9 tables (especially Comet) have a good shot as well. The way they market them will be definitely be key here.
    I’m certainly all for Zen doing these machines. I want Medusa and Vector from that era. I own an actual Eight Ball Deluxe, have it in TPA, and still would want Zen to do it. The reality though is by the time they finish off the alphas, they might have an agreement with Stern and will focus on those instead, say 2 years from now. Depending on how the licensed WMS sell, we might see an influx of those DMD machines, further delaying older tables.

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    Yeah I'm kinda thinking that their release schedule over the years will be in 3 distinct primary waves:

    Wave 1: Unlicensed WMS DMDs
    Wave 2: Licensed WMS DMDs
    Wave 3: Licensed and Unlicensed Stern/DE/Sega DMDs

    With whichever pre-DMD WMS SS tables (licensed or unlicensed) they feel are worth doing sprinkled in from time to time during waves 2 and 3. Maybe if we're really lucky some pre-DMD classic Stern SS tables will get in there too during wave 3.

    And hopefully at same point in wave 3 they can find a way to get the modern display screen tables in the game and sprinkle some of those in there too.
    Last edited by Citizen; 07-31-2019 at 01:14 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen View Post
    Yeah I'm kinda thinking that their release schedule over the years will be in 3 distinct primary waves:

    Wave 1: Unlicensed WMS DMDs
    Wave 2: Licensed WMS DMDs
    Wave 3: Licensed and Unlicensed Stern/DE/Sega DMDs

    With whichever pre-DMD WMS SS tables (licensed or unlicensed) they feel are worth doing sprinkled in from time to time during waves 2 and 3. Maybe if we're really lucky some pre-DMD classic Stern SS tables will get in there too during wave 3.

    And hopefully at same point in wave 3 they can find a way to get the modern display screen tables in the game and sprinkle some of those in there too.
    That'd work for me! :-) And, bring on the WMS System 11 tables, too! Zen, bring on the tables!! My wallet is ready.

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    Nothing says that Zen can’t do the Magic Pixel treatment on the EM’s and make the old
    Version alongside the new dmd/Zen version too. Thats the best of both worlds and also a huge source of “original” material.



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    Honestly as far as older tables go, I'd love to see a few EMs here and there. Though I understand they aren't for everyone. I'm weirder, I love tables that are more simplistic, Pirates & LOTR have no appeal to me. The new Stern Star Trek though, that is a fun table I will say.

    Also wanting to add to it, I think they're starting to run low on unlicensed DMDs, when I think of DMD pinball, I think of licenses. There are a hell of a lot of unlicensed, EMs, SSs, and S#s. It might not be out of the realm, to add in some of these unlicensed tables to a pack with licensed tables.
    Last edited by sh4wnsm1th; 07-31-2019 at 02:32 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Narc0lep5y View Post
    Nothing says that Zen can’t do the Magic Pixel treatment on the EM’s and make the old
    Version alongside the new dmd/Zen version too. Thats the best of both worlds and also a huge source of “original” material.


    Other than Mel saying they wouldn’t make any rule changes, that is. That’s the reassurance he gave regarding the enhanced versions. I believe that is a self imposed rule though, not one handed down by Scientific Games. That’s why I keep pushing for them to do Cactus Canyon Continued when they get around to that table.

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