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    Volume 4 out on iOS

    The eagle has landed!

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    Shows available on desktop AppStore. Still not showing on phone or iPad. Countdown begins

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    Cool!

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    Not cool. I can see no way to just buy the tables as I have before. I am not grinding this out. I don’t play that way. And the menus are still way too cluttered and they are making this WAY too complicated. I am not happy.

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    I'm not even downloading and installing this newest version until it's made known that the tables are/will be available as a pack purchase. I already purchased all the tables on the Mac (Zen Pinball 2). I'm not grinding through the mess that it is to unlock tables & features on mobile...I don't have the time nor patience for this.

    If Zen wants my money, I'm more than willing to shell it out to just buy the tables.

    Zen, just let us buy the damn tables, please.
    Last edited by MadScience2006; 06-07-2019 at 10:28 AM.

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    Yeah. I'm done too. I'm just sticking with the PC from now on.

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    Hey Zen, are you listening? People are not happy. What are you doing about this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scared Stiff View Post
    Hey Zen, are you listening? People are not happy. What are you doing about this?
    Hey, I'm right next door to you in Lake Forest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scared Stiff View Post
    Not cool. I can see no way to just buy the tables as I have before. I am not grinding this out. I don’t play that way. And the menus are still way too cluttered and they are making this WAY too complicated. I am not happy.
    Thanks for the heads-up. I won't bother downloading it then. I don't play the grinding game. My time is too valuable to me to play those kind of games. It drains the joy out of the pins for me. If they decide to sell it outright, then I will purchase it. I rarely play Zen Williams anyway as I can't play in landscape mode. I did purchase everything up to this point, but I guess that is over.

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    Looking at the In-App Purchases in the app's description in the App Store (on the mobile device itself), I see:

    Legendary Pinball Pack: $19.99
    Williams Pinball: Volume 3: $9.99
    Legendary Pinball Pack: $29.99
    Williams Pinball: Volume 4: $9.99

    (Yes, two different Legendary Pinball Packs)

    Maybe Zen is listening?

    They just need to make these available in the app itself...I'm assuming they aren't showing according to what I've been reading; I have not installed the update so I can't verify if these In-App Purchases are actually in the game itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadScience2006 View Post
    Looking at the In-App Purchases in the app's description in the App Store (on the mobile device itself), I see:

    Legendary Pinball Pack: $19.99
    Williams Pinball: Volume 3: $9.99
    Legendary Pinball Pack: $29.99
    Williams Pinball: Volume 4: $9.99

    (Yes, two different Legendary Pinball Packs)

    Maybe Zen is listening?

    They just need to make these available in the app itself...I'm assuming they aren't showing according to what I've been reading; I have not installed the update so I can't verify if these In-App Purchases are actually in the game itself.
    Ugh. Well, at least it sounds like it might be there. Now it just needs to show. So frustrating. Including the listings of multiple packs with same name. This stuff all needs to be made more simple for customers and needs to just WORK. But it seems like Zen has been dropping the ball on both of those things and all that does is just frustrate people. Plus, from their end, I would think they’d want my money on release day....lol.

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    well dammit,
    the volume 4 option is NOT in the in-app store and I spent $10 on zen coins to unlock WH2O to 2 stars...
    so I could begin all 3 challenges to unlock parts.
    the grinding is out of control - not feasible and not fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scared Stiff View Post
    Hey Zen, are you listening? People are not happy. What are you doing about this?
    Yeah I am done too. What the hell are you doing Zen? Can’t even play all the new tables.
    Let me know when you come up with a better model. Till then. See ya.
    Last edited by DaPinballWizard; 06-09-2019 at 08:08 AM.

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    They really do need to rethink their mobile model. It’s a confusing mess.

    Additionally, they need to work out their constant error and bug problems. When this app originally rolled out with vol 1, there were server problems. Then volume 4 was held up on ios. Then it’s released but you still have to wait even longer to access the tables. What kind of nonsense is that? This stuff just needs to all work right from the get-go and be a smooth process.

    Zen is not a new company, and not even new to mobile. So I don’t really understand why these problems exist. They shouldn’t for an experienced developer. I love the artwork. Love the physics. Love the lighting. Love the choices for tables so far. BUT, the rollout of them and the mobile UI has really sucked and not matched the high standards that the tables themselves do. I hope that gets straightened out...soon.

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    I agree that this is a mess but at least itís the monetization, not the tables. That can be easily fixed. Please follow SYTís advice and post all concerns to their Facebook or twitter account. They will react to those posts. They are trying to find a balance so they can make a buck and produce great tables. If the last few comments made it to Twitter or Facebook, you would see change.

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    For the previous two bundles I emailed and asked if it was possible to simply buy the tables, and they arranged it. No stress, no fuss. Grinding for Zen coins is a Hell No for me. I agree with others that it takes all of the fun out of it.

    Maybe I'm a little cranky today but I'm slightly annoyed that I might have to write again to ask to buy the tables. Frankly, I'm not a big fan of Hurricane, White Water or Red&Ted so the temptation level is real low and and I'm not excited enough to put out the extra effort.

    ANd I'm a little bothered that, just now, when I touched the "WIlliams Pinball Legendary Collection" bundle in the app Ė hoping to see what it was Ė it gave me the "Confirm purchase" pop-up. If my thumb happens to be on the home button that's an auto-purchase. Grr. Now I really am annoyed.

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    I was really mad when I first upgraded the app. Not only did I have to wait a week and a half to get the tables but now I can't even play them because I have to unlock them one by one. And that's going to be awhile because for the life of me I can't beat the easy level on White Water. Also the watch an add to get free tickets is no longer every 2 hours its every 24 hours.

    ....but the regular challenges have a huge change that really changes things for me. You can reset them when you finish the challenge! To reset the first two levels (I can't remember what they are called) is 20 and 30 tickets respectively. So play all three star levels, collect all the rewards, pay 20 or 30 tickets to reset (still keeping what you already got) and restart. I've been doing it over and over. I've collected about 1,500 tickets and 20 coins since this afternoon. The 3rd level I swear I was able to reset for tickets but now it wants 5 coins to reset. I should have paid better attention. Also if you don't like the challenger its only 5 tickets to try a different one. I haven't seen a limit to the number of resets. It does start the 24hr countdown clock each time you do it but basically anytime you want for a small amount of tickets (that you will more than make back if you win the challenge) you can grind to your hearts content. I thought I might not get anything to level 4 the old way. Now I might have everything fully unlocked in a week or two.

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    It's painful as there's a quality game buried beneath it all, it's no match for the PC version but I enjoy playing it and want it to succeed. As previously suggested by myself and other members the endless changes are disheartening and reactive. I'm willing to cut Zen a lot of slack, mobile is a horrendous platform but even their most devoted fans are losing faith and patience.

    Surely it should be grind or pay? Just sell the tables at normal prices, if people want to mess around grinding give them a fixed system or advert to play. It still feels like a beta four months later.

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    I swear I'm the lone voice around here that doesn't mind a grind model of playing. I get a thrill out of earning stuff without spending a dime!

    Truthfully though, without the grind I don't open the app daily. I maxed all my tables, earned a healthy overflow of coins, and then stopped playing as I waited for Vol. 4 to drop. For the brief period I got it to work on my iPhone this weekend, I was right back to being an addict in feverish grind mode. Now then, do I like the constant changes and current rewards for grinding? Nope. I don't think it's friendly to new players in the least, as it's barely friendly to a Day 1 player like myself. The flip side is, if the app were purely purchase to play, it'd be like the Zen Pinball app on my phone; never touched because I didn't purchase any tables.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shutyertrap View Post
    I swear I'm the lone voice around here that doesn't mind a grind model of playing. I get a thrill out of earning stuff without spending a dime!

    Truthfully though, without the grind I don't open the app daily. I maxed all my tables, earned a healthy overflow of coins, and then stopped playing as I waited for Vol. 4 to drop. For the brief period I got it to work on my iPhone this weekend, I was right back to being an addict in feverish grind mode. Now then, do I like the constant changes and current rewards for grinding? Nope. I don't think it's friendly to new players in the least, as it's barely friendly to a Day 1 player like myself. The flip side is, if the app were purely purchase to play, it'd be like the Zen Pinball app on my phone; never touched because I didn't purchase any tables.
    How often do you just play a regular game of pinball on there? Not a challenge or trying to earn something?
    If your answer is never or rarely, then when you really think about it, in a way we are playing two very different apps. Neither play style is wrong or bad, we just want different things out of the app.

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    Iím with you SYT. I enjoy the battle. The rule changes are ridiculous on this one though. I have 82k tickets. The changes say you now get one part per day if you watch an ad. Except you donít because you get more tickets. I know you have their ear. If they want people to grind and watch ads they need to find a balance and stick to it. They were not that far off. A parts cap would have done it. The tickets are useless and should be eliminated.

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    The good news... I just beat a hard challenge. The bad news is the box wouldnít open and eventually disappeared. Now it says I get a new challenge in 87,132 days. My great, great grandchildren will be gone by then. Awesome!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kolchak357 View Post
    How often do you just play a regular game of pinball on there? Not a challenge or trying to earn something?
    If your answer is never or rarely, then when you really think about it, in a way we are playing two very different apps. Neither play style is wrong or bad, we just want different things out of the app.
    Almost never. If I want a regular game, I play FX3 on my PC. Interestingly enough, I rarely play the challenges in that version! I do a lot of tournaments instead.

    I get it, there are those out there that only play using their mobile device. You want it priced and treated like any other system. The problem is most view their device as a casual system (me included) and therefore the freemium model makes more sense to Zen (and itís that sort of data they are responding to). I truly believe both types of users can be served, mainly by running specials on in game currency once a month that savvy users would use to buy the tables outright for then the same price as all other systems.

    Yes in game currency can be a bit of a labyrinth, but recognize thatís the whole point. It is the casino not making the exits clear, having no windows, and displaying no clocks. Admire how clever it is, and then be more clever and beat them at their own game. So donít ask Zen to ruin the illusion by having an obvious purchase price, ask for currency specials to be offered more than once and equal to pricing of every other system. That way they can still snare the whales (term used for those that buy currency indiscriminately) while letting others that know what to look for get the fairest deal.

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    Problem is is that I no longer walk into the casino.

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    I have been vocal about my frustration since the Android version came out last week, but to Zen's credit they have made some really good improvements (particularly the hard parts cap prior to the pack 4 release, the 3 parts per table for challenge rewards in the timed challenges for the new tables, and less expensive challenge resets across the board).

    I also really enjoy the daily challenges, they are what keeps me coming back, and you get a great adrenaline rush when you start to get close on a 1-ball game. The biggest problem now is that the model isn't straightforward to learn and understand, and I imagine would be especially confounding and off-putting for new users, as SYT suggests above.

    Also, on Facebook, at least 10 people have asked how to just buy the tables outright, and Zen has not answered any of them. Maybe Twitter would be a better venue. But they definitely know people want to buy the table pack outright and are confused as to why they are not able to.

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