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    Quote Originally Posted by shutyertrap View Post
    I swear I'm the lone voice around here that doesn't mind a grind model of playing. I get a thrill out of earning stuff without spending a dime.
    I can see someone liking that, but here is why I don’t like it. They get us all excited about new tables, you wait for the app to drop, in this case having to wait even longer, then you finally get the app and STILL cannot play the new tables. If you are lucky you might get a challenge to play one of the new tables...if you’re lucky. But basically without spending an outrageous amount on money to rush through upgrades, you have to wait even longer. Basically you have all this stuff you can’t really play with.

    To me that is like hyping Christmas up to a child, and then on Christmas day showing only a photo of the kid’s new bicycle, and telling them maybe they can ride the real thing a month from now. Perhaps letting the kid sit on it once in awhile. But still no riding it anywhere.

    THAT is what grinding things out is like for me.
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    Carrot on a stick...
    Last edited by MadScience2006; 06-10-2019 at 05:11 PM.

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    My biggest issue is....
    Pack 1 you could purchase
    Pack 2 you could purchase
    Pack 3 you could purchase
    Pack 4 unable to purchase
    Curveballs like that are not a pleasant way to treat your customers. That’s why I’m a bit irritated. But I still have faith they will make it available for outright purchase.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kolchak357 View Post
    My biggest issue is....
    Pack 1 you could purchase
    Pack 2 you could purchase
    Pack 3 you could purchase
    Pack 4 unable to purchase
    Curveballs like that are not a pleasant way to treat your customers. That’s why I’m a bit irritated. But I still have faith they will make it available for outright purchase.

    GOOD NEWS! You are right! Zen posted this bit of news this morning on Facebook:

    Keep an eye on the in-game store this week - new options are coming!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scared Stiff View Post
    GOOD NEWS! You are right! Zen posted this bit of news this morning on Facebook:

    Keep an eye on the in-game store this week - new options are coming!
    Excellent! Glad to hear this

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    Someone name surf1der over on Zen's forums posted:

    "Medieval Madness is having a limited time sale on iOS. Only 800 Zen Coins!!! For those that aren’t familiar with Zen’s mobile currency, 800 Zen coins equals $20."

    link: https://forum.zenstudios.com/showthr...l=1#post120009

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    What a great sale.

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    I do play a ton because of the challenges. Now that they let you reset the challenges for almost nothing in tickets I've been grinding my fool head off. Playing as much as I can. No more banging my head against the wall on one ball Champion Pub. Here's your 5 tickets I'll play survival Medieval Madness thank you. I've gone from having only one table at 3 stars to all but one at three stars (just need to build back up to 3,000 tickets should take 2 days) and most everything is half way or almost to 4 stars. With this new model I can play pretty much what I want for as much as I want and grind at the same time. I've really ignored the new tables for the most part because I've been grinding so much. Plus they kick my @$$ and once you beat them you have to wait almost a week to play again. Ridiculous but that's another argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twopossums View Post
    I do play a ton because of the challenges. Now that they let you reset the challenges for almost nothing in tickets I've been grinding my fool head off. Playing as much as I can. No more banging my head against the wall on one ball Champion Pub. Here's your 5 tickets I'll play survival Medieval Madness thank you. I've gone from having only one table at 3 stars to all but one at three stars (just need to build back up to 3,000 tickets should take 2 days) and most everything is half way or almost to 4 stars. With this new model I can play pretty much what I want for as much as I want and grind at the same time. I've really ignored the new tables for the most part because I've been grinding so much. Plus they kick my @$$ and once you beat them you have to wait almost a week to play again. Ridiculous but that's another argument.
    I fully agree about 1 ball Champ Pub. Hard pass.

    Once I beat the new tables, they reset in 24 hours. The second timer, which for those of us on iOS most likely reads 5 days now, I believe is when the challenge is going to disappear completely. It is a “limited timed event”, and some on Android have said it went poof after that time.

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    Can anyone here comment/verify that the $10 table pack 4 has been offered to them? If so, is it a "Limited Time" offer again?

    I do not have the new version of the app installed so I cannot verify this myself. Waiting for verification that the offer has been dropped so I can add funds to my iTunes account to be ready in case this is once again a limited time offer.

    Thanks for any info.

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    I have not heard anyone has gotten that offer within the app.

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    Yes. It's offered on my iPad for 3 days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fungi View Post
    Yes. It's offered on my iPad for 3 days.
    Not showing up on mine. Just updated this morning. Wish Zen would get their act together. App should be fun not frustrating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kolchak357 View Post
    Not showing up on mine. Just updated this morning. Wish Zen would get their act together. App should be fun not frustrating.
    On Android, I never saw the offer. That is very frustrating. I was totally ready to buy when they released, now I have all the new tables up to 2 stars so they have lost the sale.

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    I reached out to Zen about a plain old purchase option for Vol 4 on iOS. Below is the response I received. I assume that is a No. Guess they aren’t interested in my money or in me playing their app in the future.


    Thanks for reaching out and sorry about the delayed response!

    We try to find the best possible pricing and unlock system that suits everyone - this is why you might find changes in the part bundles or the table bundles available. We'll try to be more consistent in the future regarding the new bundles.

    Thanks for your understanding about this!

    Best regards,
    Ray Kiss
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kolchak357 View Post
    I reached out to Zen about a plain old purchase option for Vol 4 on iOS. Below is the response I received. I assume that is a No. Guess they aren’t interested in my money or in me playing their app in the future.


    Thanks for reaching out and sorry about the delayed response!

    We try to find the best possible pricing and unlock system that suits everyone - this is why you might find changes in the part bundles or the table bundles available. We'll try to be more consistent in the future regarding the new bundles.

    Thanks for your understanding about this!

    Best regards,
    Ray Kiss
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    I don't understand why I got the offer but not you. Isn't this digital? Why are there inconsistencies?

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    My impression is that on Android, the initial release of the volume 4 build was so messed up that nobody saw the "plain old purchase" option - either it was left out on purpose or bugged and didn't show up for anyone. By the time they fixed it a few weeks later, I had already unlocked the volume 4 tables to 2 stars, I am guessing that is why the offer didn't ever show up for me. All of this is guesswork, there is no transparency into what is happening and it definitely seems like there are different things appearing for different people on the same platform.

    I am on the beta build still, so that's another possible explanation for the offer never being presented.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gorgias32 View Post
    My impression is that on Android, the initial release of the volume 4 build was so messed up that nobody saw the "plain old purchase" option - either it was left out on purpose or bugged and didn't show up for anyone. By the time they fixed it a few weeks later, I had already unlocked the volume 4 tables to 2 stars, I am guessing that is why the offer didn't ever show up for me. All of this is guesswork, there is no transparency into what is happening and it definitely seems like there are different things appearing for different people on the same platform.

    I am on the beta build still, so that's another possible explanation for the offer never being presented.
    Nobody on either platform has said the option to buy Volume 4 ever appeared, it was only by asking to do so through support (I think?) that anyone was able to do so.

    The only offers that appeared were:

    250 coins to get White Water at 2 stars (which also then opened up the 3rd challenge in the timed event)
    2000 coins to get the 'legendary pack' though I have no clue what was in it

    after the White Water offer expired, there was...

    250 coins to get both Hurricane and Road Show at 2 stars (not sure if this offer is still valid or has expired)

    While there was different models of the game being presented during the initial Vol 1-2 release, as of Vol 3 there's been parity among everyone to the best of my knowledge. The only difference comes depending on when you actually open up a new update for the first time, as that sets the timer on expiring offers. I do agree though that Zen needs to be more transparent with the purchase models and what they are planning. Especially prior to implementing a change, we should be alerted to what that change is going to be so that we may prepare while using the current purchase model.
    I'm just sayin'

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    Quote Originally Posted by shutyertrap View Post
    Nobody on either platform has said the option to buy Volume 4 ever appeared,
    I did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shutyertrap View Post
    250 coins to get both Hurricane and Road Show at 2 stars (not sure if this offer is still valid or has expired)
    It’s still being offered currently to me even though I have them all at 2 stars already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scared Stiff View Post
    It’s still being offered currently to me even though I have them all at 2 stars already.
    I just want to purchase all three with everything unlocked like they have done previously. What does it cost to buy 250 coins? I'm not sure that is even a good deal for half of two of the three pins. I find this system confusing, which might be what they are trying to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kolchak357 View Post
    I just want to purchase all three with everything unlocked like they have done previously. What does it cost to buy 250 coins? I'm not sure that is even a good deal for half of two of the three pins. I find this system confusing, which might be what they are trying to do.
    Its way to expensive compare to console price, and you dont even have the full feature unlocked. For the three table you need to purchase 800 coins, and speaking of Canadian currencies here, its 27,99$, which is double the price of fully access on other platforms. Its really not a good deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kolchak357 View Post
    I just want to purchase all three with everything unlocked like they have done previously. What does it cost to buy 250 coins? I'm not sure that is even a good deal for half of two of the three pins. I find this system confusing, which might be what they are trying to do.
    I've said it before, I'll say it again; nobody faults the casino for not having windows or clocks, for having labyrinthian layouts and no clear paths to exits, all in the name of keeping you there as long as they possible can to get the most money from you. The mobile market is the same way; convert your real money into fake currency that is sold in weird pack sizes that don't correspond easily to the very things you want to buy. The other similarity of the two is all you have to do is put a little effort and time into it, and you'll be able to navigate with clarity and understanding.

    That being said...

    It's 250 coins to unlock each Volume 4 table to 2 stars. I only see White Water and Road Show as options right now.
    It takes 20 parts to get any table to 2 stars, plus 900 tickets. So each part is costing you 12.5 coins
    A pack of 25 coins costs $1, so 50 cents per part at the worst. Pack of 800 costs $20, which brings the per part cost down to 40 cents

    Zen wants you to play the daily challenges. They want to encourage engagement with the game on a regular basis. If you have already purchased the Vol. 1-3 tables, it can take as little as a week to earn the needed parts for Vol 4 to upgrade to 2 stars. Basic and Advanced challenges offer 1 part for Easy, 2 parts for Normal, and 3 parts for Hard. There's 12 parts, just by playing 2 challenges to completion (and neither is asking for a huge score). Cycle the challenges for 20 and 30 tix respectively, now you've gone to 24 parts in one day. Technically with that method you can be at 2 stars in as little as 3 days, but the reality of non even parts distribution means you'll have to put in another day or two of playing and then there you are.

    The challenges are fun, they help focus your play, and there's a growing set of strategy videos on YouTube that I've been making to help you accomplish just that.

    Once you are at 2 stars, I completely understand how the grind for 3 and 4 is daunting and why you might want to just throw money at the game. Here's a wise way of spending then...

    Pro physics cost 150 coins
    Pro difficulty (AKA tournament settings) cost 100 coins
    Visual enhancements cost 75 coins

    So for 325 coins you can unlock most of the features (no offline play, no practice mode) that would come with a fully upgraded table, and that is a one time purchase that works on all tables that come into the game.
    350 coins cost $10

    If (and that's a big IF) Zen continues with the 'limited time event' next volume, earning 2 stars on those will be isolated and achievable inside a week also. Suddenly that $10 you spent effectively lowers to $5 per pack. Come Volume 6, it'll be $3.33 per pack, and so on and so on.

    But I know, I know, "I just want to turn on and play pinball, not jump through these stupid hoops and game modes I have no interest in". You still get to play pinball, you're not being asked to play Barbie's Fun Time Unicorn Adventure prior to playing pinball, and you've already waited this long for the tables, you can't put in a week's worth of time and effort?
    I'm just sayin'

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    No, I can’t do it. The challenges to me aren’t pinball. It’s like having to go to a driving range every day for a month before being allowed to play a round of golf.
    But thanks for taking the time to explain all that stuff. Saves me the time of trying to figure it out for myself.

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    Little correction Shutyertrap, level 2 tables now let you do offline play. Its change with latest pack.

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