Bug Hall of Fame points are not registering correctly on multiple tables

Hall of Fame points are not registering correctly on multiple tables. It appears to be an issue with Hall of Fame target scores (score needed for 1,000 Hall of Fame points) that are beyond the rollover limit for certain tables. My high scores are posting to the table leader boards correctly; however, the appropriate value for Hall of Fame points is not awarded. I've noticed this issue on a number of tables for some time now, and I thought I should put together a list of tables exhibiting this problem. I'm sure that some of you have noticed this issue, as well. Let me know if there are any other tables that are exhibiting this issue...flip on!


White Water:
Target Score: 16,000,000,000
My High Score: 10,374,560,810
Hall of Fame Points Awarded: 517

Whirlwind:
Target Score: 450,000,000
My High Score: 130,315,600
Hall of Fame Points Awarded: 187

Theatre of Magic:
Target Score: 13,000,000,000
My High Score: 13,159,457,180
Hall of Fame Points Awarded: 721

Tee'd Off:
Target Score: 17,000,000,000
My High Score: 10,338,532,210
Hall of Fame Points Awarded: 153

Dr. Dude:
Target Score: 600,000,000
My High Score: 105,316,420
Hall of Fame Points Awarded: 139

Diner:
Target Score: 120,000,000
My High Score: 137,299,420
Hall of Fame Points Awarded: 824


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I should have mentioned that the Hall of Fame Points Awarded listed above are from previously posted scores that did not exceed the table rollover limit. See below:

Approximate scores for the Hall of Fame Points Awarded (I don't have the actual scores because I've posted higher scores since then)
Notice how all these scores fall short of the table rollover limits, and the scores listed above are beyond those limits.


White Water: Approx. 8,272,000,000....Rollover at 10,000,000,000

Whirlwind: Appox. 84,150,000....Rollover at 100,000,000

Theatre of Magic: Approx. 9,373,000,000....Rollover at 10,000,000,000

Tee'd Off: Approx. 2,601,000,000....Rollover at 10,000,000,000

Dr. Dude: 83,400,000....Rollover at 100,000,000

Diner: 98,880,000....Rollover at 100,000,000


I know the problem...Hall of Fame points are not being registered correctly for scores beyond the table rollover limit...How do we get it fixed?

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Here's a list of tables exhibiting the so called rollover conundrum with regard to hall of fame points:
(There may be other tables with this issue...These are confirmed by myself & other posts)


Bram Stoker's Dracula
Hall of Fame Target Score: 8,000,000,000
Rollover Limit: 10,000,000,000
1,000 Hall of Fame points possible with a score greater than *8,000,000,000 but less than *10,000,000,000

Bride of Pin-Bot
Hall of Fame Target Score: 9,000,000,000
Rollover Limit: 10,000,000,000
1,000 Hall of Fame points possible with a score greater than *9,000,000,000 but less than *10,000,000,000

Class of 1812
Hall of Fame Target Score: 750,000,000
Rollover Limit: 100,000,000
Currently impossible to achieve 1,000 Hall of Fame points

Creature from the Black Lagoon
Hall of Fame Target Score: 5,000,000,000
Rollover Limit: 10,000,000,000
1,000 Hall of Fame points possible with a score greater than *5,000,000,000 but less than *10,000,000,000

Diner
Hall of Fame Target Score: 120,000,000
Rollover Limit: 100,000,000
Currently impossible to achieve 1,000 Hall of Fame points

Dr. Dude
Hall of Fame Target Score: 600,000,000
Rollover Limit: 100,000,000
Currently impossible to achieve 1,000 Hall of Fame points

Tee'd Off
Hall of Fame Target Score: 17,000,000,000
Rollover Limit: 10,000,000,000
Currently impossible to achieve 1,000 Hall of Fame points

Theatre of Magic
Hall of Fame Target Score: 13,000,000,000
Rollover Limit: 10,000,000,000
Currently impossible to achieve 1,000 Hall of Fame points

Whirlwind
Hall of Fame Target Score: 450,000,000
Rollover Limit: 100,000,000
Currently impossible to achieve 1,000 Hall of Fame points

White Water
Hall of Fame Target Score: 16,000,000,000
Rollover Limit: 10,000,000,000
Currently impossible to achieve 1,000 Hall of Fame points

Toolinit said:

Hall of Fame points are not registering correctly on multiple tables. It appears to be an issue with Hall of Fame target scores (score needed for 1,000 Hall of Fame points) that are beyond the rollover limit for certain tables. My high scores are posting to the table leader boards correctly; however, the appropriate value for Hall of Fame points is not awarded. I've noticed this issue on a number of tables for some time now, and I thought I should put together a list of tables exhibiting this problem. I'm sure that some of you have noticed this issue, as well. Let me know if there are any other tables that are exhibiting this issue...flip on!


White Water:
Target Score: 16,000,000,000
My High Score: 10,374,560,810
Hall of Fame Points Awarded: 517

Whirlwind:
Target Score: 450,000,000
My High Score: 130,315,600
Hall of Fame Points Awarded: 187

Theatre of Magic:
Target Score: 13,000,000,000
My High Score: 13,159,457,180
Hall of Fame Points Awarded: 721

Tee'd Off:
Target Score: 17,000,000,000
My High Score: 10,338,532,210
Hall of Fame Points Awarded: 153

Dr. Dude:
Target Score: 600,000,000
My High Score: 105,316,420
Hall of Fame Points Awarded: 139

Diner:
Target Score: 120,000,000
My High Score: 137,299,420
Hall of Fame Points Awarded: 824

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So if you do the math: 1,000 / Target Score = Hall of Fame points awarded (x) / High Score



Example using White Water info above...Solve for (x):

1,000 / 16,000,000,000 = (x) / 10,374,560,810

Cross multiply to get: 10,374,560,810,000 = 16,000,000,000 (x)

Divide both sides by 16,000,000,000 to get (x): (x) = 648.41



The following should be the approximate Hall of Fame points awarded for the high scores listed above:

White Water: 648
Whirlwind: 290
Theatre of Magic: 1,000
Tee'd Off: 608
Dr. Dude: 176
Diner: 1,000

Holy crap dude, those are some high high scores.

First off, congrats on the scores! I'm at 8th place behind you (gamecenter) and I was amazed that somebody already amassed 36.000 plus HOF points, but now I can see why.... And then to think that you may have been robbed of HOF points going by your post, really impressive. Nice to see you join the forums.
About those HOF troubles, I know them too and are also wondering how things work. I have had different experiences with this:

- I scored a 187M score on Victory some days after it came out, and it only registered 87M in-app, and on the leaderboards. This netted me already 969 HOF points, and that may be in fault too, because in the mean time the table got updated again and now the HOF requirement score seems to be 200M (which incidentally would yield around 900 HOF points for my initial 187M score). This one seems to work in my benefit but on the other hand I would also like it to be correct. Funny thing is also that even in those early release days, there were already 100M+ scores registered on the leaderboards, and I couldn't understand how that was possible without hacking. Or is this maybe a platform specific thing?
- I have wrestled with TOM also. I have a highscore of 16B that correctly registered on the leaderboards, but not in-app. This would easily give me the 1000 HOF points. However, it only took the 6B from the 16B which was too low for my current in-app high score list and therefore (?) did not up my HOF points. I purposefully played a game after that which gave me around 9B+ (draining remaining balls) to get as close to the 10B as I dared. I'm still stuck at around 800+ HOF points I believe. The problem now is that all my in-app high scores are between 7B and 9B, and I'm curious if I would be awarded the 1000 points if I would score between 17B-19B, of which the 7B-9B part would fall within my in-app high scores. Still with me?

The problem I see with your scores and HOF points, is that there seems no logic to them. I can understand why TOM may behave like it did for me, taking the "single" billion and not the decimal but the HOF points do seem correct for the "single" billion score. I can't figure out the math in your scores like you said. The only thing that I can think off is trying to surpass your already great scores to see if TPA corrects itself, with every major update there is a chance that things will straighten out. Don't count on it though....

I count myself extremely lucky that I haven't encountered a lot of these strange things, and I haven't lost my scores (clinging superstitiously very much to my old iPad with iOS 6 installed). There are enough threads around with horror stories, especially when migrating to a new device.

Slam23 said:

Funny thing is also that even in those early release days, there were already 100M+ scores registered on the leaderboards, and I couldn't understand how that was possible without hacking. Or is this maybe a platform specific thing?

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yes, the game on the PC is a LOT easier than on mobiles, at least on android. Whoever plays on mobile only have zero chance to ever reach those scores from PC.
I don't know if needed scores for HOF points are different for other platforms but they are the same for PC, android and iOS. As is the leaderboard (do something Farsight).

But IMO, HOF points are very unbalanced for mobiles. My best score is on Elvira, some 97x or so points. To get 1K you need 35M I think. And to get 1K on Dr. Dude you need 600M. And Dr. Dude is infinite times harder table than Elvira. On Elvira one can score 1M and 3M shots very easily but scoring gazillion or jackpot on Dr. Dude is difficult, very difficult and not easily repeatable as 1M and 3M shots on Elvira.

I hear that a lot, that PC TPA is easier. I only played TPA on a PC a couple of times (yes, I did buy those tables again for PC.....) but not enough to really get a feel for it. VikingErik has also mentioned a couple of times that nudging is easier, because there are levels to it, not so on mobile. The point however is also if roll-over bugs vary from platform to platform. I already scored 187M on iPad, but got only the 87M to show for it, while there already were scores on the leaderboard that were 100M+. Were those all PC scores? Does this roll-over thing differ on PC?
I think HOF requirements were ramped up quite a bit for Season 2 & 3 overall, and aside from an obvious error like with Cactus Canyon and Junkyard (which got fixed) Farsight sometimes indeed misses the mark. Overall a lot of tables feel fair and I think they probably can't judge how far some of us go in pumping time into this app..... I also think the discussion about the difference between TPA and real life tables can be closed, only by looking at some of those ridiculous scores on the leaderboards (and the fact that I routinely get my behind kicked by real tables that I also play in TPA).

Slam23 said:

VikingErik has also mentioned a couple of times that nudging is easier, because there are levels to it, not so on mobile.

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There are levels to nudging on the PC only if you play with an analog gamepad. I don't, I use a keyboard. That makes nudges maximum strength all the time and in fixed cardinal directions. That's mostly favorable and does make the PC the easiest platform to play on. Most of the time this is an asset, which makes slap saves virtually guaranteed and certain nudge patterns repeatable and railroadable, like on Bride the heartbeat -> plunger abuse. But there are a few things for which I wish the keyboard allowed more refined control, notably the pegboard area on Pinbot and anything around the flippers on Central Park.

Hi VikingErik,

How does this differ from the full strength nudges on iPad that are also directional (left/right/up/diagonal left up/diagonal right up)? The difference I can think of is that fixed nudge keys that are minimally distant from the flipper keys can be pressed more quickly and more precise than touch nudging on the iPad. Also, technically a slap save can be performed without nudging? I understand this as a term that describes a very quick alternation between two flippers in which a "graze" from the one flipper becomes a full contact shot on the next flipper? A nudge can help to really avert those SDTM drains because it's then necessary to steer the ball first towards one of the flippers before a slap save is even possible? I would also like a continous form of nudging on the iPad instead of a binary one. Maybe it's too difficult to implement but the time you touch the nudge area could possibly differentiate between a soft or a harder nudge. Swipe nudging is not my thing but that would maybe be easier to differentiate by "length" of swipe. Well, back on topic

Heh, somehow missed checking this thread again till now.

I've never played on the iPad (or anything but the PC) so I can only guess from hearsay how any mobile devices behave for nudging. I can say how playing on a PC keyboard works, which is always maximum strength nudges in the four cardinal directions but nothing diagonal or inbetween. Most of the time this fixed reliable behavior is an asset, although there are some things you can't do.

Yeah slap saves don't necessarily require a nudge, but why would you? Slap that thing and make sure you save it.

Other PC pinball games have indeed had variable strength nudging based on how long you hold the nudge key. Pro Pinball for one. Although the directions are still fixed.

Mobile, at least Android, has 3 different nudging techniques that have 2 different outcomes. Both the touch and shake nudge will, for the most part, generate a full power nudge every time. Whereas if you are using a bluetooth controller, you have full analogue nudging very similar to as on the PC.

This disparity on 'droid will favour those who have become accustomed to playing with a controller. However, when it comes to the physics and responsiveness there is still a difference in how the 2 platforms behave. I find that teh PC version has far less bounce compared to mobile, and that allows players to get the ball under control faster in addition to the greater nudge capabilities.

Sorry, Toolinit, your HOF requirements are different than us mortals, lol.

Nudging on iPad is terrible, just my opinion.

As for points, the only tables I have had trouble with rollover is CFTBL and Class of 1812. Have not come close to those scores you have on the listed tables.

Toolinit, you said that you didn't record your scores at the time. How are you retrieving these approximate scores and HoF points?

I have noticed weird discrepancies with how HoF points are stored at the FS website and at the local clients. I'm on mobile, so I'll type up more details when I'm at a better keyboard.

Bram Stoker's Dracula is exhibiting the same behavior with regard to Hall of Fame points and the table rollover limit:

I posted 5,350,241,670 for 668 Hall of Fame points; which is correct for a target score of 8,000,000,000 for 1,000 Hall of Fame points...Then, my next best game was 15,086,724,160 and I was not awarded the 1,000 Hall of Fame points due to the table rollover limit of 10,000,000,000. In this case, I can get the 1,000 Hall of Fame points by intentionally posting a score between 8 & 10 billion. (Similar to what is required to get 1,000 Hall of Fame points on Bride of Pinbot because the rollover limit for that table is 10 billion, as well.)

Bug confirmed by other players for Diner (and Class of 1812, evidently):

http://digitalpinballfans.com/showthread.php/8918-Diner-rollover-100m

Here's a list of tables exhibiting the so called rollover conundrum with regard to hall of fame points:
(There may be other tables with this issue...These are confirmed by myself & other posts)


Bram Stoker's Dracula
Hall of Fame Target Score: 8,000,000,000
Rollover Limit: 10,000,000,000
1,000 Hall of Fame points possible with a score greater than *8,000,000,000 but less than *10,000,000,000

Bride of Pin-Bot
Hall of Fame Target Score: 9,000,000,000
Rollover Limit: 10,000,000,000
1,000 Hall of Fame points possible with a score greater than *9,000,000,000,but less than *10,000,000,000

Class of 1812
Hall of Fame Target Score: 750,000,000
Rollover Limit: 100,000,000
Currently impossible to achieve 1,000 Hall of Fame points

Creature from the Black Lagoon
Hall of Fame Target Score: 5,000,000,000
Rollover Limit: 10,000,000,000
1,000 Hall of Fame points possible with a score greater than *5,000,000,000,but less than *10,000,000,000

Diner
Hall of Fame Target Score: 120,000,000
Rollover Limit: 100,000,000
Currently impossible to achieve 1,000 Hall of Fame points

Dr. Dude
Hall of Fame Target Score: 600,000,000
Rollover Limit: 100,000,000
Currently impossible to achieve 1,000 Hall of Fame points

Tee'd Off
Hall of Fame Target Score: 17,000,000,000
Rollover Limit: 10,000,000,000
Currently impossible to achieve 1,000 Hall of Fame points

Theatre of Magic
Hall of Fame Target Score: 13,000,000,000
Rollover Limit: 10,000,000,000
Currently impossible to achieve 1,000 Hall of Fame points

Whirlwind
Hall of Fame Target Score: 450,000,000
Rollover Limit: 100,000,000
Currently impossible to achieve 1,000 Hall of Fame points

White Water
Hall of Fame Target Score: 16,000,000,000
Rollover Limit: 10,000,000,000
Currently impossible to achieve 1,000 Hall of Fame points

Thanks for listing these, didn't know about Whitewater, whirlwind, dr. dude or tee'd off or TOM. Know to stay away for now until confirmed fix.

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Having just scored over the 100M limit on Class of 1812, I would very much like to bring this again under attention of Farsight. For us (HOF) scoring hunters, this is very frustrating! Why implement those HOF scores when you can't achieve them on 1/5 of all tables!
I would like to add POTO to this list by the way, not because I encountered a rollover problem, but because this table is broken: when you beat the top score the app crashes and this also messes up the remote backup. You'll have to reinstall the whole shebang and hope you have a recent remote backup to get back to where you were. Be advised!

Edit: and I sent an email to Farsight support about this.

Today I got an email from Farsight support with the promise to send the list from Toolinit to Q&A for further investigation. "Thank you very much for this detailed breakdown! Will shoot this along to QA to take a look at!"
So keeping fingers crossed for a fix!

Slam23 said:

Today I got an email from Farsight support with the promise to send the list from Toolinit to Q&A for further investigation. "Thank you very much for this detailed breakdown! Will shoot this along to QA to take a look at!"
So keeping fingers crossed for a fix!

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Sounds good...Hopefully we can finally get this bug cleaned up!
Cheers!

Slam23 said:

Today I got an email from Farsight support with the promise to send the list from Toolinit to Q&A for further investigation. "Thank you very much for this detailed breakdown! Will shoot this along to QA to take a look at!"
So keeping fingers crossed for a fix!

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Any update on this? I refuse to play these tables until this is fixed.