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<blockquote data-quote="smbhax" data-source="post: 32062" data-attributes="member: 396"><p>I can. It's subtle enough that if you aren't looking for it or expecting it, you probably won't realize it's there--unless you've read about it online or are a pinball wizard of some kind. You can kind of adjust to it and then forget about it, and--for me, at least--it isn't really obvious unless you have something to compare it to directly; so I'll forget about it for a while, then play Pinball Hall of Fame: The Williams Collection on my PS3, even some of the same tables, then come back to Pinball Arcade, and realize that my flippers are swinging a fraction of a second late until I readjust and get back in the habit of pressing the button slightly early.</p><p></p><p>Also, it does seem to come and go a little bit. I've had times where it is fairly noticeable, then I quit the game and restart, and wasn't as bad. And if it's performance related, which I still think is the only thing that could really be causing this type of issue--then it will vary by table, by camera angle--the low angles probably being worse, as we saw with the "slow motion" bug a version or so ago--and especially--as has been pointed out in this thread--by the resolution at which you're running your PS3--ie if you're at something less than 1080p you probably won't see the problem because the game runs smoother at lower resolutions since it doesn't have to spend as much time rendering those fewer pixels. So that's quite a bit of variation right there.</p><p></p><p>But yeah I do think perception can account for a lot of it. Someone who's used to playing at a very high level and who relies on absolute split-second response to their input for live catches and the like would notice right away, I would think--I'm not good enough to be one of those people--that their playing is impaired. More casual players such as myself who don't do fancy things with the flippers can just get used to hitting the button a split-second earlier, more or less unconsciously. I had a friend, a casual pinball player like myself, over the other night and watched him do this: on his first swings at his first ball, he swung late and the shots went wide; by his second ball he'd adjusted and was shooting accurately. He doesn't know about any input lag issue; he just adjusted to the slight response delay automatically, without even noticing it consciously.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="smbhax, post: 32062, member: 396"] I can. It's subtle enough that if you aren't looking for it or expecting it, you probably won't realize it's there--unless you've read about it online or are a pinball wizard of some kind. You can kind of adjust to it and then forget about it, and--for me, at least--it isn't really obvious unless you have something to compare it to directly; so I'll forget about it for a while, then play Pinball Hall of Fame: The Williams Collection on my PS3, even some of the same tables, then come back to Pinball Arcade, and realize that my flippers are swinging a fraction of a second late until I readjust and get back in the habit of pressing the button slightly early. Also, it does seem to come and go a little bit. I've had times where it is fairly noticeable, then I quit the game and restart, and wasn't as bad. And if it's performance related, which I still think is the only thing that could really be causing this type of issue--then it will vary by table, by camera angle--the low angles probably being worse, as we saw with the "slow motion" bug a version or so ago--and especially--as has been pointed out in this thread--by the resolution at which you're running your PS3--ie if you're at something less than 1080p you probably won't see the problem because the game runs smoother at lower resolutions since it doesn't have to spend as much time rendering those fewer pixels. So that's quite a bit of variation right there. But yeah I do think perception can account for a lot of it. Someone who's used to playing at a very high level and who relies on absolute split-second response to their input for live catches and the like would notice right away, I would think--I'm not good enough to be one of those people--that their playing is impaired. More casual players such as myself who don't do fancy things with the flippers can just get used to hitting the button a split-second earlier, more or less unconsciously. I had a friend, a casual pinball player like myself, over the other night and watched him do this: on his first swings at his first ball, he swung late and the shots went wide; by his second ball he'd adjusted and was shooting accurately. He doesn't know about any input lag issue; he just adjusted to the slight response delay automatically, without even noticing it consciously. [/QUOTE]
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