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<blockquote data-quote="shutyertrap" data-source="post: 282958" data-attributes="member: 134"><p>I read an interesting statistic, one I didn't bother noting the exact details of but I can give you the broad strokes at least, in that most illegal immigrants come via airplane and not boarder hopping. Now when I say most, I'm talking well over 60% if not more according to what was written. Anyway, the notion was that most people that are here illegally are due to expired work visas, visitors, etc, and they flew into the country and then never left. So here's the irony...government gets shut down in part because a wall (that was planted in the Cheetoh's head as a way to remember to talk about immigration during campaign speeches not as an actual policy) that won't even stem the tide of how most illegals enter isn't being given funding, only for all the TSA and airport personnel to not get paid and stage sick-outs which in turn makes the primary way of entry even more porous. Genius!</p><p></p><p>This is a massive game of chicken getting played here, and if both sides truly knew the stakes that'd be one thing. Unfortunately the orange one doesn't, as has been reported by various sources in the know. </p><p></p><p>What it reminds me of is a period of time where I was watching a lot of poker on TV and was playing with a group of friends a lot. My wife wanted to learn how to play, so I sat down and taught her the basics and then proceeded to think I'd just school her while we played. Unfortunately she didn't understand that poker is not about playing the cards in your hand. To that end, she played every hand to the river regardless of what kind of bet I tried to scare her off with. She just plain never folded. While eventually I did win in total, it was excruciating because she wasn't playing the way anyone in the know would. Tactics, strategies, all went right out the window because now we were playing according to the cards held, and that's not poker.</p><p></p><p>Drumpf isn't playing by any set of rules but his own, and he's making them up as he goes. The scariest part is some that do know the rules are looking to adapt his naive tactics into theirs. So while I would say the easy solution is to give him the go ahead right now and let him win the battle but not the war, anyone who has ever tried to play with a child who constantly changes the rules of the game in fits of "not fair" knows that the end result is a destroyed game. Every country plays by more or less the same rules, but if the USA flips the board into the air over something like this (remember, Mexico was promised to pay but that rule got changed) the end result might be even worse for the world. </p><p></p><p>I say it over and over, this isn't a Democrat vs Republican thing. Republican leadership is just as shocked by Spray Tan's actions as anyone, but they figure they can weather the storm like those in a hurricane's path that refuse to evacuate. They're so concerned the Democrats will loot everything in their absence, that they'll risk everything figuring it's better to lose to the hurricane than to live with the idea that someone else gained off their concerns for safety. </p><p></p><p>Okay, that's way too many analogies on my part.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="shutyertrap, post: 282958, member: 134"] I read an interesting statistic, one I didn't bother noting the exact details of but I can give you the broad strokes at least, in that most illegal immigrants come via airplane and not boarder hopping. Now when I say most, I'm talking well over 60% if not more according to what was written. Anyway, the notion was that most people that are here illegally are due to expired work visas, visitors, etc, and they flew into the country and then never left. So here's the irony...government gets shut down in part because a wall (that was planted in the Cheetoh's head as a way to remember to talk about immigration during campaign speeches not as an actual policy) that won't even stem the tide of how most illegals enter isn't being given funding, only for all the TSA and airport personnel to not get paid and stage sick-outs which in turn makes the primary way of entry even more porous. Genius! This is a massive game of chicken getting played here, and if both sides truly knew the stakes that'd be one thing. Unfortunately the orange one doesn't, as has been reported by various sources in the know. What it reminds me of is a period of time where I was watching a lot of poker on TV and was playing with a group of friends a lot. My wife wanted to learn how to play, so I sat down and taught her the basics and then proceeded to think I'd just school her while we played. Unfortunately she didn't understand that poker is not about playing the cards in your hand. To that end, she played every hand to the river regardless of what kind of bet I tried to scare her off with. She just plain never folded. While eventually I did win in total, it was excruciating because she wasn't playing the way anyone in the know would. Tactics, strategies, all went right out the window because now we were playing according to the cards held, and that's not poker. Drumpf isn't playing by any set of rules but his own, and he's making them up as he goes. The scariest part is some that do know the rules are looking to adapt his naive tactics into theirs. So while I would say the easy solution is to give him the go ahead right now and let him win the battle but not the war, anyone who has ever tried to play with a child who constantly changes the rules of the game in fits of "not fair" knows that the end result is a destroyed game. Every country plays by more or less the same rules, but if the USA flips the board into the air over something like this (remember, Mexico was promised to pay but that rule got changed) the end result might be even worse for the world. I say it over and over, this isn't a Democrat vs Republican thing. Republican leadership is just as shocked by Spray Tan's actions as anyone, but they figure they can weather the storm like those in a hurricane's path that refuse to evacuate. They're so concerned the Democrats will loot everything in their absence, that they'll risk everything figuring it's better to lose to the hurricane than to live with the idea that someone else gained off their concerns for safety. Okay, that's way too many analogies on my part. [/QUOTE]
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