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<blockquote data-quote="shutyertrap" data-source="post: 283758" data-attributes="member: 134"><p>"Indefeasibly"...thanks autocorrect! Grrrr.</p><p></p><p>I don't know that I play the game more than a usual amount. I play during commercial breaks of basketball games, or while waiting to pick up my son, or visiting the porcelain throne. I do play the Skillz multiplayer version a bit, but that doesn't affect your rewards in the main app. My frustration with many posts I read is that the actual game play itself is so rarely talked about. People dump on the app because they can't see past the 'freemium' aspects, which are exceedingly easy to get beyond. Name another pinball app out there that allows you to play every one of their tables, for free, in such a short amount of time. Zen has apps for Star Wars, Marvel, Zen Pinball, none of which let you play more than one table for free while not letting you even so much as sample the other tables with a timed trial. Their apps for Bethesda Pinball and Aliens vs Pinball offer the ability to play for free, but you always need to watch a video or use tickets, there is no way to earn the tables outright. Zaccaria Pinball and Pinball Arcade are purely pay to play apps. </p><p></p><p>So while all these other apps offer straightforward pay schemes, they don't offer the ability to fully unlock tables via grinding. Let's talk grinding apps then. There's been a few apps I've played over the years that offer the choice of grinding or paying, most of which come to a point within a month or two of playing where you hit a hard paywall to either advance in upgrades needed, or to avoid the "you need to wait x amount of hours to refill your energy bar". Zen is offering something here with no paywall and the ability to be done with grinding in a matter of weeks.</p><p></p><p>Of course there's one other aspect to look at, and that's whether or not a person likes the 'daily challenges' version of play. I personally enjoy them, unless it's 1 ball on Junk Yard or Party Zone. That mode on those is just evil! But what I'm saying is, even in FX3 I enjoy doing these, only there once complete, no sense in ever playing again. Here where it resets every 24 hours, I feel like it's a new competition each time and so I keep coming back. It's very similar to how having Tournament mode in FX3 completely won me over to playing that game significantly more often than TPA, because competition is fun. If all a person wants is to be able to play full 3 ball games of each table and doesn't enjoy the challenges at all, then I can see how this app will be a drag for them. </p><p></p><p>Ultimately what I think needs to be looked at is what sort of game did Zen want out there? I believe they wanted something that engages the player in a manner that keeps them coming back to the app. This was a big point of them doing what they did in FX3, I'm sure that ethos is carrying over to this. The higher pricing aspect is more of a "oh you don't want to play how we want? You have no patience for playing? Fine, but it's gonna cost you". And truth be told, if you want your game skills to improve, playing the challenges is one of the best ways to learn quick, safe, and effective scoring.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="shutyertrap, post: 283758, member: 134"] "Indefeasibly"...thanks autocorrect! Grrrr. I don't know that I play the game more than a usual amount. I play during commercial breaks of basketball games, or while waiting to pick up my son, or visiting the porcelain throne. I do play the Skillz multiplayer version a bit, but that doesn't affect your rewards in the main app. My frustration with many posts I read is that the actual game play itself is so rarely talked about. People dump on the app because they can't see past the 'freemium' aspects, which are exceedingly easy to get beyond. Name another pinball app out there that allows you to play every one of their tables, for free, in such a short amount of time. Zen has apps for Star Wars, Marvel, Zen Pinball, none of which let you play more than one table for free while not letting you even so much as sample the other tables with a timed trial. Their apps for Bethesda Pinball and Aliens vs Pinball offer the ability to play for free, but you always need to watch a video or use tickets, there is no way to earn the tables outright. Zaccaria Pinball and Pinball Arcade are purely pay to play apps. So while all these other apps offer straightforward pay schemes, they don't offer the ability to fully unlock tables via grinding. Let's talk grinding apps then. There's been a few apps I've played over the years that offer the choice of grinding or paying, most of which come to a point within a month or two of playing where you hit a hard paywall to either advance in upgrades needed, or to avoid the "you need to wait x amount of hours to refill your energy bar". Zen is offering something here with no paywall and the ability to be done with grinding in a matter of weeks. Of course there's one other aspect to look at, and that's whether or not a person likes the 'daily challenges' version of play. I personally enjoy them, unless it's 1 ball on Junk Yard or Party Zone. That mode on those is just evil! But what I'm saying is, even in FX3 I enjoy doing these, only there once complete, no sense in ever playing again. Here where it resets every 24 hours, I feel like it's a new competition each time and so I keep coming back. It's very similar to how having Tournament mode in FX3 completely won me over to playing that game significantly more often than TPA, because competition is fun. If all a person wants is to be able to play full 3 ball games of each table and doesn't enjoy the challenges at all, then I can see how this app will be a drag for them. Ultimately what I think needs to be looked at is what sort of game did Zen want out there? I believe they wanted something that engages the player in a manner that keeps them coming back to the app. This was a big point of them doing what they did in FX3, I'm sure that ethos is carrying over to this. The higher pricing aspect is more of a "oh you don't want to play how we want? You have no patience for playing? Fine, but it's gonna cost you". And truth be told, if you want your game skills to improve, playing the challenges is one of the best ways to learn quick, safe, and effective scoring. [/QUOTE]
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