Post Zaccaria - Future Tables

[Snorzel]

 

[Snorzel]

 

[Snorzel]

Hi snorzel, excellent posts and a very good idea to start a poll. There are some cool tables/companies. Hankin with Shark and The Empire Strikes Back is of course amazing, but I doubt if a Star Wars table will ever be possible. I will look deeper in the companies you suggested. One other thing that should not be overlooked is that a lot of these brands are pretty obscure. How do you get all these tables together? Unless one of these vintage companies still owns all these tables and is willing to work with ASK. I don't know how these things are done behind the scenes, but that seems to me one of the biggest hurdles to take.

Whats up Night they seem to be doing Cine Star and Red Show without the actual table. As long as pictures, video, scoring and gameplay info are attainable there is hope imo. I agree Star Wars is the longest of long shots, but if a deal could be reached the Hankin and Sonic/Segasa tables would go nice together.

 

[night]

So far, my 2 cents, and of course it's just my personal opinion.

Interflip: has a few simplistic looking EM's.
Rally: one or two tables look cool, but the rest is just odd and very 60's. I doubt if this will attract people to buy these tables.
Jeutel: Few tables, and noting really interesting, but 'Evolution' and 'Papillon' look great.
Nordamatic: Few tables, 'Atlantis' looks great, the rest so-so.
Gameplan: Has a few very interesting tables, like 'Andromeda', 'Global Warfare', 'Loch Ness Monster', 'Pinball Lizard', 'Super Nova' and 'Cyclopes'. Downside is that they made a lot of baby-sized tables, that makes the 'normal-sized' table collection small.
Inder: 'Moon Light' looks interesting, a lot not really. I am not a fan of the 'airbrush look' playfields. A lot of oldies as well, mmm.. so-so.
Nuova Bell / Bell Games: These look interesting! 'Top Pin' looks a lot like Pin-Bot, 'Fantasy' = Centaur! ('Fireball II' and 'Saturn" = wow!)
Sonic/Segasa: Interesting tables. 'Gamatron' looks great. Forget Star Wars, but it looks lame anyway. Sonic tables are interesting, the Segasa tables not so.
Jolly Park: Fun, but just 3 tables.
Hankin: Amazing artwork on 'Shark' and 'The Empire Strikes Back', too bad the last one is out of reach. Just a few tables unfortunately.
Taito do Brasil: Has a lot of great tables, many are reskins/conversions of the well-known American tables.

 

[74-89]

Gameplan: Has a few very interesting tables, like 'Andromeda', 'Global Warfare', 'Loch Ness Monster', 'Pinball Lizard', 'Super Nova' and 'Cyclopes'. Downside is that they made a lot of baby-sized tables, that makes the 'normal-sized' table collection small.

Atari tables, strange and interesting, not very many, but cool. Would make a good combo with GamePlan (The Atari/GamePlan Collection).

 

[74-89]

I think it would be awesome to give everyone some time to come up with any other good suggestions and shoot down the ones I and others have made, and do a poll

No, don't do it! I came here to get away from all that. Hahaha! Next thing you know they'll be adding music to the table menu. And a few more screens before it with a fake Pinball Wizard noise... followed by many more polls to determine which tables will sell enough to make the bottom line. Welcome to my nightmare!

Seriously, you can do a poll here, and it's fun to make some crazy suggestions because yes we can dream, but I expect (no, hope) that ASK will more or less ignore us and just go ahead and do whatever it is they want to do that is most feasible for them. I trust that whatever it is will be great.

 

[night]

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Atari, absolutely!

 

[74-89]

Nuova Bell / Bell Games: These look interesting! 'Top Pin' looks a lot like Pin-Bot, 'Fantasy' = Centaur! ('Fireball II' and 'Saturn" = wow!)

These are conversion kits. I don't know if anyone can get away with recreating a whole collection of conversion kits, but if so I hope that Geiger (Geiger-Automatenbau GmbH) is considered. They had great art by Michele "Mike" Martinelli, and by the way a collection that followed one artist's work through various companies would be awesome. Probably impossible, but awesome nonetheless.

Taito do Brasil: Has a lot of great tables, many are reskins/conversions of the well-known American tables.

Not a single one of these is a reskin or conversion kit. Even in the few cases of an identical playfield, the electronics are all different.

The really tasty thing about Recel/Petaco and Juegos Populares (all the same company) is that we'd get a whole bunch of EMs and then a smaller selection of SS machines, sort of the reverse of Zaccaria. The art on these is exceptional.

 

[Snorzel]

Atari tables, strange and interesting, not very many, but cool. Would make a good combo with GamePlan (The Atari/GamePlan Collection).

I cant believe how slow these Atari pins seem.

http://www.ipdb.org/search.pl?searchtype=advanced&mfgid=33#102

 

[IGoFirstIndy]

I cant believe how slow these Atari pins seem.

http://www.ipdb.org/search.pl?searchtype=advanced&mfgid=33#102

i've only played a couple of tables but they both played super slow.

 

[Reagan Dow]

Snorzel. I don't know how you found some of these. Many of these tables are very cool and quite obscure. I guess one way to know if the ROMs for these tables are available is to do a cross examination with real pinball and virtual pinball. Not sure if pinball nirvana also is a place to check? I guess if we find that someone re-created a table on this list then there must be a rom available (right?) then I imagine if Zsolt can't find a real table we can search for high res pictures of play field and back glass. At least I assume it would be possible. Of course trying to find out who holds the licensing for these OLD companies could take quite a lot of work. Anyone?

 

[Snorzel]

 

[Snorzel]

 

[Snorzel]

Snorzel. I don't know how you found some of these. Many of these tables are very cool and quite obscure. I guess one way to know if the ROMs for these tables are available is to do a cross examination with real pinball and virtual pinball. Not sure if pinball nirvana also is a place to check? I guess if we find that someone re-created a table on this list then there must be a rom available (right?) then I imagine if Zsolt can't find a real table we can search for high res pictures of play field and back glass. At least I assume it would be possible. Of course trying to find out who holds the licensing for these OLD companies could take quite a lot of work. Anyone?

Hey Regan, I used a list of manufactures and glanced over the years of operation & # of tables made. Then researched what stuck out to me.

http://ipdb.org/lists.cgi?anonymously=true&list=mfg1
http://ipdb.org/lists.cgi?anonymously=true&list=mfg2

The questions about what it takes to make a recreation would be great for the interview with Zsolt.

 

[Snorzel]

i've only played a couple of tables but they both played super slow.

What did you get to play? It would be cool to play at a steeper tilt, the ASK options menu would go nicely with these.

 

[Snorzel]

No, don't do it! I came here to get away from all that. Hahaha! Next thing you know they'll be adding music to the table menu. And a few more screens before it with a fake Pinball Wizard noise... followed by many more polls to determine which tables will sell enough to make the bottom line. Welcome to my nightmare!

Seriously, you can do a poll here, and it's fun to make some crazy suggestions because yes we can dream, but I expect (no, hope) that ASK will more or less ignore us and just go ahead and do whatever it is they want to do that is most feasible for them. I trust that whatever it is will be great.

for me its fun to just look through all these pins that are new to me. Of corse ASK will do what is best for them. Its all just supposed to be in fun. But if they know what we want for the most part and can do it we all win

 

[IGoFirstIndy]

What did you get to play? It would be cool to play at a steeper tilt, the ASK options menu would go nicely with these.

I've played Superman. two different machines, both machines were super slow. also played hercules, though that shouldn't count.

I thought hulk was atari too. but looks like it was gottleib.

So only played Superman. last i knew they had it at Pinball Wizard in Pelham NH. not sure the steeper tilt would help. it just plays real soft from what i remember.

 

[night]

What a fantastic artwork on these Atari machines, such a quality job. Probably done by the same artist that did their 2600 packaging, I recongize the style.

Its all just supposed to be in fun. But if they know what we want for the most part and can do it we all win

Exactly!

 

[Crawley]

Alvin G's Mystery Castle and Garage Band are pretty decent. Pistol Poker looks good but haven't played that one. But likely those three are worth doing.

Got a lot of one-ups/pet projects from various companies that may be worth digitizing:

WHOA NELLIE (Whizbang)
America's Most Haunted (Spooky Pinball)
Full Throttle (Heighway Pinball)
Jupiter Crush(Space Eight)
Wrath of Olympus (Wooly)
Buffy the Vampire Slayer (Buffy Pinball)

 

[Snorzel]

Alvin G's Mystery Castle and Garage Band are pretty decent. Pistol Poker looks good but haven't played that one. But likely those three are worth doing.

Got a lot of one-ups/pet projects from various companies that may be worth digitizing:

WHOA NELLIE (Whizbang)
America's Most Haunted (Spooky Pinball)
Full Throttle (Heighway Pinball)
Jupiter Crush(Space Eight)
Wrath of Olympus (Wooly)
Buffy the Vampire Slayer (Buffy Pinball)

Hey great list I really like Big Juicy Melons er I mean Whoa Nelie looks great!

Says the first one off the line at Stern? Does that mean this is in Farsights ballpark? Either way I would love a digital recreation.