Bug Android Version 1.0.10 Bugs

[Carl Spiby]

also oddly i am not seeing the zen's improvement in framerate on my atrix 4g tegra 2, it actually looks like its running at 30fps in portrait (ball stutters) while ours is at 60...odd hmmm...

Android in general on this device feels smoother in landscape orientation. I think my phone is natively portrait so that doesn't seem to suffer at all.

 

[Ryan Routon]

I can forward this on to Mike, but unfortunately (for this round at least) I am not involved with the scripting of the tables. I hear ya, we programmers wish we had the emulation too it makes our job soooo much easier, but as you guessed management has the schedule nailed down and it wasn't in the stars for this one. That being said it sounds like we are going to try to emulate as many as we can in the future since it causes way too many headaches for us. There are some (like gotlieb) that we just can't due to tech restrictions. Oh and that didnt sound ranty at all

Hey Ryan

I'm posting this thread link in here, because Black Knight has some serious discrepancies between the IRL table and the scripted one.

Fuseball's 5 minute demo kind of sums up the visual bugs perfectly (at least for me).

http://digitalpinballfans.com/showthread.php/1353-Black-Knight-first-impression

As I said in that post, would Farsight consider holding back the SS tables until the emulation was ready? Or is the release queue already set and removing SS table releases like this would throw out the work in development?

I'd much prefer to get two correctly emulated tables each month, than one really great modern emulation , and one (frankly) sub-standard script-job.

This is my first (and hopefully last) slightly ranty post since my time on this forum. Overall, I'm really happy with TPA. I just can't see the success of SS releases until emulation is at least ready for release (was going to say perfected, but perfection in software development is a pipe-dream).

 

[jaredmorgs]

I can forward this on to Mike, but unfortunately (for this round at least) I am not involved with the scripting of the tables.

I hear ya, we programmers wish we had the emulation too it makes our job soooo much easier, but as you guessed management has the schedule nailed down and it wasn't in the stars for this one.

That being said it sounds like we are going to try to emulate as many as we can in the future since it causes way too many headaches for us. There are some (like gotlieb) that we just can't due to tech restrictions. Oh and that didnt sound ranty at all

That's great to hear. Hopefully the development queue will clear itself of SS script-jobs soon, and you guys can focus on pushing out emulations, with a greater degree of accuracy to the original.

I'd imagine fixing an issue with an emulation table is degrees simpler than trying to work out where in the script the bug is occurring on a SS. Would be akin to trying to find a broken wire from the MPC in the backbox to the playfield

 

[Ryan Routon]

Hey, you guys with the facebook issue, I have a galaxy s coming in today, do you have the app installed?

 

[darkuni]

To keep PR issues to a minimum ... maybe a "beta" group or an "opt in" focus group would make sense.

It sounds like there is a closed beta going on - but it doesn't seem to be getting the same feedback as the "released" product.

Perhaps a special opt in group to better bang on these scripted tables - but without having them available to the "general public". A switch you can flip server side that offers these tables to "registered testers". This stops the general rabble from sounding off about how pissed they are that they paid "release cash" for "beta products" - and MOST people will opt in even knowing it's a beta.

I dunno - talking out loud here.

 

[Nik Barbour]

@Darkuni,
the last 3 betas have all been posted via a download able link from whichever bugs thread is current.
It's been open to whoever wishes to take part.

 

[darkuni]

I was thinking more along the lines of something IN APP that lets you "unlock" beta or incomplete tables.

@Darkuni,
the last 3 betas have all been posted via a download able link from whichever bugs thread is current.
It's been open to whoever wishes to take part.

 

[Ryan Routon]

Actually that is much too dangerous to release something like that public since the very unlocked content itself comes with the changed binary that might effect anything.

 

[Ryan Routon]

Speaking of, getting ready to link up the latest apk that has the following fixes:
-Reset link is properly set and no longer sends you to the registration page.
-persistent login works.
-fixed some htc bugs that caused a crash on launch.
-password is now hiddden
-Black Knight sound bugs have been addressed

I made some changes that might fix the facebook crash issue though I cannot reproduce it so that might be hit and miss.

Just fyi, management told me to hold off on releasing new table files (though we have been fixing the bugs you guys have found). Can't really go into the why, but we are working through the bugs and hope to release them in the near future. One reason I can release is that I am working on integrating higher vertex count models for those devices that can handle them, so slowly as I fix the old tables I will release them with the higher models packaged so that when we enable that feature the users don't have to download 14 tables at once, it should just work.

Let me know what you guys think if you get the chance, I plan on releasing this tomorrow if all is well.

 

[Ryan Routon]

http://androidfiles.pinballarcade.com/beta/AndroidPinballActivity_A.apk

 

[sharkbear]

I loaded the update. Facebook worked the first time for me, but after I logged out and then logged back in it locked up when trying to log in to facebook again. I restarted the app and it still crashed on facebook. Prior to the update, it would always crash the first time through, but when i restarted the app it would work the second time. I am on a TF101.

Persistent login and and hidden password worked great for me - thanks Ryan!

 

[jaredmorgs]

Persistent login happens for me as well on the TF300T

Facebook login seems to be a little hit and miss. I don't get the expected "you've already authenticated this app. Tap Okay" screen I used to get. If the logon authentication system just checks to see if the app is authorized now, then this is probably a non-issue.

What sound issues specifically did you fix for Black Knight? I can't work out what they are from the few plays I've got.

 

[jaredmorgs]

...One reason I can release is that I am working on integrating higher vertex count models for those devices that can handle them, so slowly as I fix the old tables I will release them with the higher models packaged so that when we enable that feature the users don't have to download 14 tables at once, it should just work...

After some googling, "higher vertex count" means tables will have smoother round edges.

So less hexagonal round targets, etc. Will be very cool once implemented, and will make playing on large screen devices a whole new experience.

 

[Nik Barbour]

After some googling, "higher vertex count" means tables will have smoother round edges.

So less hexagonal round targets, etc. Will be very cool once implemented, and will make playing on large screen devices a whole new experience.

Thanks - I was wondering about that!

 

[Nik Barbour]

Hey Ryan

can i make the suggestion you have a menu option for the vertex count, from day 1 of its implementation, should save frustration and lost play time, for older device owners (basing this on the experience with the texture upgrade in 1.0.9).

You could have a menu with 'vertex count normal', 'vertex count high' or similar.

Loving 1.0.10, plays great with my phone. BK is awesome!

 

[McGuirk]

Hey, you guys with the facebook issue, I have a galaxy s coming in today, do you have the app installed?

SII? Yes, I use the Facebook app.

 

[Carl Spiby]

The Pinbot value at the back on BoP on the Android version isn't lighting the current value.

 

[Michael DiFilippo]

downloaded the apk, and it made the launch worse! ~ HTC Rezound

everytime i touch the black load screen after i press the app icon it kicks me right back to my launcher home screen.

"fixed some htc bugs that caused a crash on launch"

 

[Michael DiFilippo]

i uninstalled my pa app and reinstalled the play store version just to see if it were behave the same and it did, so the new apk isnt worse. this issue as been happening for awhile now. i basically cant touch my screen after pressing the pa app so that it can load. otherwise the app never loads.

 

[Pete]

i didnt notice this earlyer but black knight seems to randomly freeze some games when you lock a ball it never releases it and when you call the attendent it says ball isnt stuck and then when you tilt to end that ball and start the next it just stays frozen on saying tilt. Out of 50 or so games I have only seen this happen about 3 times but it is very annopying as it seems to only happen when your having a really good game. I may be wrong but I think it might have to do with extra balls becouse the only time's I have even seen this I was on extra balls after the initial 3. Also It seems really easy to lock a ball from the bottom of the ball lock where the ball shoots out from it, im not sure if that can happen on a real black knight at least ive never seen a ball lock from that side on williams challenge.